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Ironically you also listed most the reasons I'm not a libertarian. As more things move from the public sphere to the private one, there's less transparency, not

by mateo1 4y ago

Ironically you also listed most the reasons I'm not a libertarian. As more things move from the public sphere to the private one, there's less transparency, not even a hope of public control (such as providing a moral direction via elections), and no obligation of improving anything. Structures like KGB and CIA will still exist, they'll just be completely outside the law, multiply in numbers and intensify the violent acts, because no public controls will be in place.

EGreg 4y ago
Well, you assume I am a right-wing libertarian. I am a left-libertarian: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism I don’t want concentrations of power in unaccountable corporations, either. I want housing cooperatives, credit unions etc. But given that we have large states and corporations, let’s use that “public control” to vote body cameras for all cops and make ALL negotiations by our politicians publicly accessible. They work for us! We should know why they failed to prevent a war or a pandemic! Do you agree w that? PS: It hasn’t happened, democracy wasn’t able to even get term limits for Congress despite overwhelming agreement it should happen. MAYBE they will outlaw insider trading. I would say that the problem is large concentrations of power in the hands of those who put profit / ideology over human lives — this whole “democracy” thing is just the system (organizations) pacifying people. Sometimes it can even make things worse as administrations change (eg Clinton’s deal with North Korea and Obama’s deal with Iran were killed by the next administrations… and USA has been doing this for centuries, eg Andrew Jackson renegging on Jefferson’s promises and causing the trail of tears). A small kingdom like Morocco or Monaco may actually be more stable and peaceful and less belligerent than a large democracy. The UK was a democracy during the British Raj and that didnt make it any nicer than when it was less of a democracy. https://youtu.be/VP_SpW-DyQg https://youtu.be/VP_SpW-DyQg

by mateo1 4y ago

EGreg 4y ago

Well, you assume I am a right-wing libertarian. I am a left-libertarian: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism I don’t want concentrations of power in unaccountable corporations, either. I want housing cooperatives, credit unions etc. But given that we have large states and corporations, let’s use that “public control” to vote body cameras for all cops and make ALL negotiations by our politicians publicly accessible. They work for us! We should know why they failed to prevent a war or a pandemic! Do you agree w that? PS: It hasn’t happened, democracy wasn’t able to even get term limits for Congress despite overwhelming agreement it should happen. MAYBE they will outlaw insider trading. I would say that the problem is large concentrations of power in the hands of those who put profit / ideology over human lives — this whole “democracy” thing is just the system (organizations) pacifying people. Sometimes it can even make things worse as administrations change (eg Clinton’s deal with North Korea and Obama’s deal with Iran were killed by the next administrations… and USA has been doing this for centuries, eg Andrew Jackson renegging on Jefferson’s promises and causing the trail of tears). A small kingdom like Morocco or Monaco may actually be more stable and peaceful and less belligerent than a large democracy. The UK was a democracy during the British Raj and that didnt make it any nicer than when it was less of a democracy. https://youtu.be/VP_SpW-DyQg https://youtu.be/VP_SpW-DyQg