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The passports that the general (foreign) audience knows - the external/international one.

by zinekeller 4y ago

justsomehnguy 4y ago
Nope, internal one. See the update
- zinekeller 4y ago
  Can you quote the update? The nearest phrase that can be interpreted as the internal passport is "please hand in your red civilian passports" (full context below), but this refers to the red-coloured external passport (as opposed to green diplomatic, blue service, and maroon internal passport). Quotation follows: > Alexandra Prokopenko, a former Russian central bank official, said passport restrictions had now expanded beyond individuals with security clearance. > “Now they are coming to certain people and saying, ‘please hand in your red civilian passports, because you have access to sensitive information for the motherland, so we want to control your movements’,” she said.
justsomehnguy 4y ago
(sorry for answering here, replies are disabled under your last comment for me, I guess the flood/flame protection) > Can you quote the update? 'civilian' is a direct translation of 'гражда́нский'[0] which would be a typical mistake for someone translating from Russian to English without context or the knowledge. So I think it's the internal one referenced here. Honestly, taking the external passport wouldn't make sense, because the only place where it would be needed officially is after the border crossing and someone in the stop list would be stopped long before that by checking the internal passport. And at least some neighbouring countries allows crossing by Russian internal passport, so the external one isn't even needed. But still the article reads as a cheap propaganda so until a more solid evidence shows up I would chalk it under the usual exaggeration of 'everything is bad there'. > but this refers to the red-coloured external passport I think both the red and maroon are referred as red there. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B...

The passports that the general (foreign) audience knows - the external/international one.

justsomehnguy 4y ago

Nope, internal one. See the update

zinekeller 4y ago
Can you quote the update? The nearest phrase that can be interpreted as the internal passport is "please hand in your red civilian passports" (full context below), but this refers to the red-coloured external passport (as opposed to green diplomatic, blue service, and maroon internal passport). Quotation follows: > Alexandra Prokopenko, a former Russian central bank official, said passport restrictions had now expanded beyond individuals with security clearance. > “Now they are coming to certain people and saying, ‘please hand in your red civilian passports, because you have access to sensitive information for the motherland, so we want to control your movements’,” she said.

justsomehnguy 4y ago

(sorry for answering here, replies are disabled under your last comment for me, I guess the flood/flame protection) > Can you quote the update? 'civilian' is a direct translation of 'гражда́нский'[0] which would be a typical mistake for someone translating from Russian to English without context or the knowledge. So I think it's the internal one referenced here. Honestly, taking the external passport wouldn't make sense, because the only place where it would be needed officially is after the border crossing and someone in the stop list would be stopped long before that by checking the internal passport. And at least some neighbouring countries allows crossing by Russian internal passport, so the external one isn't even needed. But still the article reads as a cheap propaganda so until a more solid evidence shows up I would chalk it under the usual exaggeration of 'everything is bad there'. > but this refers to the red-coloured external passport I think both the red and maroon are referred as red there. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B...