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I'm not sure what this has to do with e-scooters in Paris though. Disregarding red pedestrian traffic lights is the norm in France, they are seen as indicative
by seszett 4y ago
I'm not sure what this has to do with e-scooters in Paris though.
Disregarding red pedestrian traffic lights is the norm in France, they are seen as indicative: green means you can pass regardless of traffic as you have absolute priority, red means you must pay attention to cars but you are still allowed to cross and the law supports that. "Jaywalking" doesn't exist in France and pedestrians can basically cross wherever and whenever they want (it's a bit more complicated than that, but not by much).
Cars do have priority when traffic lights are red for pedestrians but they would still be held responsible for any accident.
Thus, it seems to me that your impression stems from ignorance of French traffic law and norms, as the parent said. Visiting a foreign country and thinking all rules are the same as they are at home is always a recipe for disappointment.
Like, now that I live in Belgium I know that red for cars means that one or two cars will probably still go through the intersection and I shouldn't cross (as a pedestrian or a driver) without paying attention. That's not the case in France and I could think that Belgians (or at least the Flemish, don't know about the rest) "have a total disregard for traffic rules" but that's not true, it's just one difference that you have to be aware of.
- wcoenen 4y ago> pedestrians can basically cross wherever and whenever they want The "code the la route" article R413-38 says otherwise: Lorsque la traversée d'une chaussée est réglée par ces feux, les piétons ne doivent s'engager qu'au feu vert. https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI000006842161/2012-11-11 https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI0000...
- seszett 4y agoThe rest of the sentence was "it's a bit more complicated than that, but not by much". The law also says that pedestrians can be fined all of 4 euros for crossing at red and they have no responsibility in the case of an accident, which means in practice there are no consequences for crossing at red. As long as you check that you aren't going to be run over by a car, which people do. They cross at red if there are no cars.
- wcoenen 4y agoWe seem to be in violent agreement that Parisians don't care about the traffic rules.