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Would I be able to train an AI only using microsoft's leaked windows code to write a windows clone with no copyright (since it comes from an AI) and be safe fro

Would I be able to train an AI only using microsoft's leaked windows code to write a windows clone with no copyright (since it comes from an AI) and be safe from legal repercussions because it was trained on fair use code I just happened to find online? If they rule that it's ok to do that, I might be ok with AI being ruled as fair use.

sokoloff 4y ago
Is it even fair use under the law to consume that Windows source code?
- bombolo 4y ago
  People who train AI models claim that anything they can find on the internet is fair use. It's the whole point of the discussion… is it really? And if it's not fair use to train on windows source code because of copyright… doesn't that same copyright law cover everything else as well?
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    I think there's a reasonable distinction to make between "you can train AI models on any code that you are legally allowed to have and read" and "you can train AI models on any code that you are able to feed into it, regardless of whether you have permission to possess/read it".
    - bombolo 4y ago
      You're not legally allowed to have and read it if you knowingly violate its license terms.
FrustratedMonky 4y ago
Exactly. I'm betting if you asked GPT to create a windows clone, for sure MS would not let you distribute. This will go like every other law/license, big corp can sue little guy into the ground. When big corp uses your code it will be 'thats just a model generated code not yours'. But in other direction, if little guys creates windows clone, 'sorry, its off to jail for you maytee'.
- jgerrish 4y ago
  Even if it's the opposite direction, big guy losing and small guy coming out ahead, it's still drama. Just like Covid introduced epidemiological terms to the general public, this issue can introduce design choices around licensing, copyright and watermarking to more people. I assume there is a group of researchers building tools to provide fine-grained historical views into AI output. And yes, for billions of parameters trained on billions of documents, linking every letter to a source document is a UX nightmare. But what a cool problem. That's the interesting part. Yeah, something like TileBars[1] or Seesoft[1] seems like the right tool. But maybe keeping it all text with some graphical marker of authenticity is the better choice. So many cool problems. But, that authenticity marker is the hard sell. Can reasoned discussions with others be enough to introduce that, or is drama required? https://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~hearst/irbook/10/node7.html https://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~hearst/irbook/10/node7....

sokoloff 4y ago

Is it even fair use under the law to consume that Windows source code?

bombolo 4y ago
People who train AI models claim that anything they can find on the internet is fair use. It's the whole point of the discussion… is it really? And if it's not fair use to train on windows source code because of copyright… doesn't that same copyright law cover everything else as well?
- sokoloff 4y ago
  I think there's a reasonable distinction to make between "you can train AI models on any code that you are legally allowed to have and read" and "you can train AI models on any code that you are able to feed into it, regardless of whether you have permission to possess/read it".
  - bombolo 4y ago
    You're not legally allowed to have and read it if you knowingly violate its license terms.

FrustratedMonky 4y ago

Exactly. I'm betting if you asked GPT to create a windows clone, for sure MS would not let you distribute. This will go like every other law/license, big corp can sue little guy into the ground. When big corp uses your code it will be 'thats just a model generated code not yours'. But in other direction, if little guys creates windows clone, 'sorry, its off to jail for you maytee'.

jgerrish 4y ago
Even if it's the opposite direction, big guy losing and small guy coming out ahead, it's still drama. Just like Covid introduced epidemiological terms to the general public, this issue can introduce design choices around licensing, copyright and watermarking to more people. I assume there is a group of researchers building tools to provide fine-grained historical views into AI output. And yes, for billions of parameters trained on billions of documents, linking every letter to a source document is a UX nightmare. But what a cool problem. That's the interesting part. Yeah, something like TileBars[1] or Seesoft[1] seems like the right tool. But maybe keeping it all text with some graphical marker of authenticity is the better choice. So many cool problems. But, that authenticity marker is the hard sell. Can reasoned discussions with others be enough to introduce that, or is drama required? https://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~hearst/irbook/10/node7.html https://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~hearst/irbook/10/node7....