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I’m confused about what group of people you’re wanting to offer this to. The Russians who already left Russia to dodge the draft probably don’t need help leavin

I’m confused about what group of people you’re wanting to offer this to. The Russians who already left Russia to dodge the draft probably don’t need help leaving Russia. The people critical of Putin and who are in Russia, and the people who don’t want to be a part of the war and who are in Russia would probably appreciate being able to more easily leave. What do you mean when you say “vulnerable?” Is it just verbal flourish?

dudeinjapan 4y ago
vulnerable as in "prone to defenestration"
smcl 4y ago
Well those who have left are effectively stranded where they are, unless they want to return. If you left as mobilisation was announced and you're in Georgia or Armenia right now you likely do not have permanent residency - many applied and few got it. So you have a temporary visa on which the clock is ticking. If you want to go to the UK or Germany you'd have to return and apply for a suitable visa in the embassy in Russia. One good change in this specific case would involve permitting Russian citizens to apply abroad - at the UK embassy in Yerevan or Tbilisi (or wherever). And those who haven't left, I'm sure there are ways they can be assisted too that we should also do. I'm not sure why "let's help this group" keeps getting interpreted as "let's punish this other group" :-/
golergka 4y ago
> The Russians who already left Russia to dodge the draft probably don’t need help leaving Russia. Many of them are in countries that are happy to give Putin anyone he wants. A lot of political activists and detectors get deported back to prison.
dreen 4y ago
I have a Russian friend working in IT in Poland and he fears deportation. Unfortunately these things are reportedly happening, the sentiment should be anti-Putin but ends up being anti-Russian, mostly thanks to Russians like these: https://t.me/glavredinfo/61841 https://t.me/glavredinfo/61841
- DiscoDays 4y ago
  > Unfortunately these things are reportedly happening, the sentiment should be anti-Putin but ends up being anti-Russian, mostly thanks to Russians like these: https://t.me/glavredinfo/61841 https://t.me/glavredinfo/61841 If you don't mind me asking, why should the sentiment be anti-Putin? What makes you think that the war is not being supported by a significant fraction (if not majority) of the Russian population?
  - dreen 4y ago
    There is no question there is broad support for senseless violence, as evidenced by the video. But I know my friend for example, and he considers Putin and his enablers to be fascists. But of course there are also many people privately against this while publically showing support. The point of my post was that it is not enough to help anti-Putin (and by that I mean anti-current-power-system-of-russia) leave Russia. They are as much victims here as Ukrainians who fled the war, but are sometimes treated badly.

dudeinjapan 4y ago

vulnerable as in "prone to defenestration"

smcl 4y ago

Well those who have left are effectively stranded where they are, unless they want to return. If you left as mobilisation was announced and you're in Georgia or Armenia right now you likely do not have permanent residency - many applied and few got it. So you have a temporary visa on which the clock is ticking. If you want to go to the UK or Germany you'd have to return and apply for a suitable visa in the embassy in Russia. One good change in this specific case would involve permitting Russian citizens to apply abroad - at the UK embassy in Yerevan or Tbilisi (or wherever). And those who haven't left, I'm sure there are ways they can be assisted too that we should also do. I'm not sure why "let's help this group" keeps getting interpreted as "let's punish this other group" :-/

golergka 4y ago

> The Russians who already left Russia to dodge the draft probably don’t need help leaving Russia. Many of them are in countries that are happy to give Putin anyone he wants. A lot of political activists and detectors get deported back to prison.

dreen 4y ago

I have a Russian friend working in IT in Poland and he fears deportation. Unfortunately these things are reportedly happening, the sentiment should be anti-Putin but ends up being anti-Russian, mostly thanks to Russians like these: https://t.me/glavredinfo/61841 https://t.me/glavredinfo/61841

DiscoDays 4y ago
> Unfortunately these things are reportedly happening, the sentiment should be anti-Putin but ends up being anti-Russian, mostly thanks to Russians like these: https://t.me/glavredinfo/61841 https://t.me/glavredinfo/61841 If you don't mind me asking, why should the sentiment be anti-Putin? What makes you think that the war is not being supported by a significant fraction (if not majority) of the Russian population?
- dreen 4y ago
  There is no question there is broad support for senseless violence, as evidenced by the video. But I know my friend for example, and he considers Putin and his enablers to be fascists. But of course there are also many people privately against this while publically showing support. The point of my post was that it is not enough to help anti-Putin (and by that I mean anti-current-power-system-of-russia) leave Russia. They are as much victims here as Ukrainians who fled the war, but are sometimes treated badly.