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> What is replaced is a subway, bus, bike, or walking trip. Perhaps on some rare occasions a taxi/Uber. Apart from that last rare occasion, all other alternativ

> What is replaced is a subway, bus, bike, or walking trip. Perhaps on some rare occasions a taxi/Uber. Apart from that last rare occasion, all other alternatives are MORE eco-friendly than the e-scooters. I firmly believe that people running the scooter rental companies know that they can only succeed by destroying public transit. A survey in Norway showed that over half of the trips on rental scooters replaced public transit, and less than 10% replaced trips in private cars. The detrimental affects on public transit, the relatively high injury rates, the disregard the riders have for the blind and handicapped who have to navigate around the scooters being left in the middle of the sidewalk, and just the sense of urban blight from them being left everywhere all add up to enough reason to ban the things.

908B64B197 4y ago
> that over half of the trips on rental scooters replaced public transit, and less than 10% replaced trips in private cars. But did it improve travel time?
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> survey in Norway showed that over half of the trips on rental scooters replaced public transit, and less than 10% replaced trips in private cars I’d be careful about extrapolating these results across cities. In most American cities, for example, I’m going to replace an e-scooter with an Uber.
- TheHappyOddish 4y ago
  Most of the modern world has common public transport, the US is a weird edge case.
  - RestlessMind 4y ago
    You clearly haven't explored the modern world then. Or may have visited 3-5 cities and think you have seen it all. Some non-US metro areas where I found public transport to be inadequate based on my travels in the last 3-4 months - Toronto, Vancouver, Bangalore, Mumbai.
    - TheHappyOddish 4y ago
      I've been to over 20 countries, many of which I'd consider modern world. I would have been to > 80 cities. I spent months in both Vancouver and Torono without a car, and both have perfectly workable public transport systems, with Toronto's being a bit better. Both are better than every US city I've been to, and scooters replace neither. India is a third world country with a pretty low standard of living. I haven't been to Bangalore or Mumbai, but I can't imagine them being relevant to this discussion.
      - RestlessMind 4y ago
        > both have perfectly workable public transport systems Only if you confine yourself to downtowns. Which is why I said metro areas. > India is a third world country It is a third world country with lots of modern parts. If you don't think Mumbai or Bangalore or modern cities, that just means you have a very different definition of what modern means.
        TheHappyOddish 4y ago
        You seems to have missed the context of this comment chain. We were discussing cities. I have no idea what a "metro" or "downtown" is. > I’d be careful about extrapolating these results across cities. In most American cities, for example, I’m going to replace an e-scooter with an Uber. I also never said modern cities, I said "the modern world", of which India would generally not be considered part of. I may have defined that poorly though, my bad.
dolmen 4y ago
> I firmly believe that people running the scooter rental companies know that they can only succeed by destroying public transit. This is irrelevant for cities with dense metro network like Paris. Rental scooter and bikes are just complementing the public transit offer. They also allow to have a lower load in the public transit, which is a benefit in place where the public transit is already overloaded at rush hours.
andrepd 4y ago
I imagine you must feel the same way, but 20x stronger, about cars, right? Everything you said is even worse, only we've become accustomed to it and treat it as natural (one knocked over scooter? outrageous. 4 lanes of traffic and 2 of parking? par on course).

908B64B197 4y ago

> that over half of the trips on rental scooters replaced public transit, and less than 10% replaced trips in private cars. But did it improve travel time?

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> survey in Norway showed that over half of the trips on rental scooters replaced public transit, and less than 10% replaced trips in private cars I’d be careful about extrapolating these results across cities. In most American cities, for example, I’m going to replace an e-scooter with an Uber.

TheHappyOddish 4y ago
Most of the modern world has common public transport, the US is a weird edge case.
- RestlessMind 4y ago
  You clearly haven't explored the modern world then. Or may have visited 3-5 cities and think you have seen it all. Some non-US metro areas where I found public transport to be inadequate based on my travels in the last 3-4 months - Toronto, Vancouver, Bangalore, Mumbai.
  - TheHappyOddish 4y ago
    I've been to over 20 countries, many of which I'd consider modern world. I would have been to > 80 cities. I spent months in both Vancouver and Torono without a car, and both have perfectly workable public transport systems, with Toronto's being a bit better. Both are better than every US city I've been to, and scooters replace neither. India is a third world country with a pretty low standard of living. I haven't been to Bangalore or Mumbai, but I can't imagine them being relevant to this discussion.
    - RestlessMind 4y ago
      > both have perfectly workable public transport systems Only if you confine yourself to downtowns. Which is why I said metro areas. > India is a third world country It is a third world country with lots of modern parts. If you don't think Mumbai or Bangalore or modern cities, that just means you have a very different definition of what modern means.
      - TheHappyOddish 4y ago
        You seems to have missed the context of this comment chain. We were discussing cities. I have no idea what a "metro" or "downtown" is. > I’d be careful about extrapolating these results across cities. In most American cities, for example, I’m going to replace an e-scooter with an Uber. I also never said modern cities, I said "the modern world", of which India would generally not be considered part of. I may have defined that poorly though, my bad.

dolmen 4y ago

> I firmly believe that people running the scooter rental companies know that they can only succeed by destroying public transit. This is irrelevant for cities with dense metro network like Paris. Rental scooter and bikes are just complementing the public transit offer. They also allow to have a lower load in the public transit, which is a benefit in place where the public transit is already overloaded at rush hours.

andrepd 4y ago

I imagine you must feel the same way, but 20x stronger, about cars, right? Everything you said is even worse, only we've become accustomed to it and treat it as natural (one knocked over scooter? outrageous. 4 lanes of traffic and 2 of parking? par on course).