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Just a precision, (private) e-scooters are still allowed. The vote was on renewing or not the contracts of free floating solutions like Tier, Lime, etc

by seren 4y ago

czechdeveloper 4y ago
This is quite important. While e-scooters are very eco-friendly, in hands of large rending companies they usually have extremely limited lifespan and are not fullfulling this place.
- simplotek 4y ago
  > This is quite important. I'd go a step beyond and claim that e-bike sharing services like Lime are extremely detrimental to an urban space while adding nothing to mobility and sustainability. They are mainly gimmicks used to litter urban spaces whose only purpose is to serve as a kind of coin-operated joyrides. These operators come in and dump truckloads of things onto the public space, scatter them around, and pretend that this is ok. This ban has nothing to do with e-whatever, environment, mobility, or even economy. It's getting rid of an abusive practice that was a net loss for everyone involved.
  - M95D 4y ago
    Here in Romania, THE CARS litter the urban spaces. There are cars parked everywhere: on the sidewalks, on the side of the road in parallel with those on the sidewalks, in bus stops, on all the green spaces, on no-access markings of the roads, etc. I wish people would use more e-scooters & e-bikes. 8-10 rental e-scooters fit in the same sidewalk space a car would occupy and a car can't be moved if the owner isn't there.
    - simplotek 4y ago
      > Here in Romania, THE CARS litter the urban spaces. Cars are indeed a cancer on all urban spaces, and one which has been granted too much privileges for decades. The Netherlands' Jokinen Plan[1] is widely used as the epitome of idiocy that we get by designing cities around cars. But the fact is that services provided by multinationals like Lime do nothing to address this issue. People do not drop their cars for ebikes just because a multinational dropped one on the sidewalk. Also, it's a red herring to portray services provided by multinationals like Lime as synonyms for replacing cars with alternatives. They do nothing of the sort, and it misrepresents the problem. Companies like Lime scatter crap around cities with impunity and expect the public to just suck it up. Any small business owner who did a fraction of the abusive practices of occupying the public space would be fined into bankruptcy. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokinen_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokinen_Plan
      - M95D 4y ago
        > People do not drop their cars for ebikes just because a multinational dropped one on the sidewalk. I own a car. About 2 years ago I bought a an escooter and since then I almost never used the car, even in winter (with snow and below 0°C cold). I was hoping that car users would at least try a rental ebike/escooter, see how easy it is to ride anywhere, park anywhere, and then buy and start using their own. It didn't happen. It seems there is some very important reason they prefer cars, despite how much it costs and how difficult it is to find a parking spot. I really don't know what that reason is. Someone please enlighten me!
- mytailorisrich 4y ago
  > While e-scooters are very eco-friendly Are they, though?
greggsy 4y ago
Anecdata, but the vast majority of people I see using using escooters in Australian cities are kids and drunk people. It’s not hard to see either: they’re bright orange or purple, and are usually seen on a Saturday or Sunday morning dumped thoughtlessly in disabled ramps, in a gutter, or some other place that a drunk might find convenient.
- john_the_writer 4y ago
  Private ownership would clear this up. (not legal in NSW). If you paid 600$ for one I don't expect you'd leave it in a gutter. I'm almost 50 and I'd love to legally write an electric skateboard. I'd use it in most places. Now I just take the car, because it's the only way I can travel at speed with my dog.
walthamstow 4y ago
Funnily enough we have the exact opposite in the UK. Private scooters banned, rental scooters laying all over the pavement. I lean towards private scooters as more preferable because they don't clutter the public space. However, because they aren't regulated, some people have extremely fast models. Not uncommon to see someone doing 30mph+.
- john_the_writer 4y ago
  Yep. Same in most of Australia. I wish privates were legal and rentals were gone.
- simplotek 4y ago
  > Funnily enough we have the exact opposite in the UK. Private scooters banned, rental scooters laying all over the pavement. What's the rationale behind this nonsense?
  - M95D 4y ago
    I would start guessing with the obvious: money.
  - mnw21cam 4y ago
    The official reason is insurance, and ensuring a small trial area. Basically, in UK law, the scooters count as motor vehicles, and therefore must have a licence, which they can't for other reasons. So, they're illegal to ride on the pavement because they're motorised, and they're illegal to ride on the road because they're uninsured and unlicensed. There are a few trial areas where companies are providing insured scooters for hire under a recognised scheme, which is what makes them legal. This is the same reason why electric bicycles in the UK must only apply power to assist you as you pedal - they must detect when you pedal, and act as power-assisted pedalling. It's illegal to have an electric bike that gives power when you're not pedalling, because that would count as an unlicensed uninsured motor vehicle. It's a quirk of the way that classes of vehicle are defined in UK law, and I'd rather they just sorted it out.
    - 4y ago

Just a precision, (private) e-scooters are still allowed. The vote was on renewing or not the contracts of free floating solutions like Tier, Lime, etc

by seren 4y ago

Just a precision, (private) e-scooters are still allowed. The vote was on renewing or not the contracts of free floating solutions like Tier, Lime, etc

czechdeveloper 4y ago

This is quite important. While e-scooters are very eco-friendly, in hands of large rending companies they usually have extremely limited lifespan and are not fullfulling this place.

simplotek 4y ago
> This is quite important. I'd go a step beyond and claim that e-bike sharing services like Lime are extremely detrimental to an urban space while adding nothing to mobility and sustainability. They are mainly gimmicks used to litter urban spaces whose only purpose is to serve as a kind of coin-operated joyrides. These operators come in and dump truckloads of things onto the public space, scatter them around, and pretend that this is ok. This ban has nothing to do with e-whatever, environment, mobility, or even economy. It's getting rid of an abusive practice that was a net loss for everyone involved.
- M95D 4y ago
  Here in Romania, THE CARS litter the urban spaces. There are cars parked everywhere: on the sidewalks, on the side of the road in parallel with those on the sidewalks, in bus stops, on all the green spaces, on no-access markings of the roads, etc. I wish people would use more e-scooters & e-bikes. 8-10 rental e-scooters fit in the same sidewalk space a car would occupy and a car can't be moved if the owner isn't there.
  - simplotek 4y ago
    > Here in Romania, THE CARS litter the urban spaces. Cars are indeed a cancer on all urban spaces, and one which has been granted too much privileges for decades. The Netherlands' Jokinen Plan[1] is widely used as the epitome of idiocy that we get by designing cities around cars. But the fact is that services provided by multinationals like Lime do nothing to address this issue. People do not drop their cars for ebikes just because a multinational dropped one on the sidewalk. Also, it's a red herring to portray services provided by multinationals like Lime as synonyms for replacing cars with alternatives. They do nothing of the sort, and it misrepresents the problem. Companies like Lime scatter crap around cities with impunity and expect the public to just suck it up. Any small business owner who did a fraction of the abusive practices of occupying the public space would be fined into bankruptcy. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokinen_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokinen_Plan
    - M95D 4y ago
      > People do not drop their cars for ebikes just because a multinational dropped one on the sidewalk. I own a car. About 2 years ago I bought a an escooter and since then I almost never used the car, even in winter (with snow and below 0°C cold). I was hoping that car users would at least try a rental ebike/escooter, see how easy it is to ride anywhere, park anywhere, and then buy and start using their own. It didn't happen. It seems there is some very important reason they prefer cars, despite how much it costs and how difficult it is to find a parking spot. I really don't know what that reason is. Someone please enlighten me!
mytailorisrich 4y ago
> While e-scooters are very eco-friendly Are they, though?

greggsy 4y ago

Anecdata, but the vast majority of people I see using using escooters in Australian cities are kids and drunk people. It’s not hard to see either: they’re bright orange or purple, and are usually seen on a Saturday or Sunday morning dumped thoughtlessly in disabled ramps, in a gutter, or some other place that a drunk might find convenient.

john_the_writer 4y ago
Private ownership would clear this up. (not legal in NSW). If you paid 600$ for one I don't expect you'd leave it in a gutter. I'm almost 50 and I'd love to legally write an electric skateboard. I'd use it in most places. Now I just take the car, because it's the only way I can travel at speed with my dog.

walthamstow 4y ago

Funnily enough we have the exact opposite in the UK. Private scooters banned, rental scooters laying all over the pavement. I lean towards private scooters as more preferable because they don't clutter the public space. However, because they aren't regulated, some people have extremely fast models. Not uncommon to see someone doing 30mph+.

john_the_writer 4y ago
Yep. Same in most of Australia. I wish privates were legal and rentals were gone.
simplotek 4y ago
> Funnily enough we have the exact opposite in the UK. Private scooters banned, rental scooters laying all over the pavement. What's the rationale behind this nonsense?
- M95D 4y ago
  I would start guessing with the obvious: money.
- mnw21cam 4y ago
  The official reason is insurance, and ensuring a small trial area. Basically, in UK law, the scooters count as motor vehicles, and therefore must have a licence, which they can't for other reasons. So, they're illegal to ride on the pavement because they're motorised, and they're illegal to ride on the road because they're uninsured and unlicensed. There are a few trial areas where companies are providing insured scooters for hire under a recognised scheme, which is what makes them legal. This is the same reason why electric bicycles in the UK must only apply power to assist you as you pedal - they must detect when you pedal, and act as power-assisted pedalling. It's illegal to have an electric bike that gives power when you're not pedalling, because that would count as an unlicensed uninsured motor vehicle. It's a quirk of the way that classes of vehicle are defined in UK law, and I'd rather they just sorted it out.
  - 4y ago