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Meanwhile here I am in the Netherlands (semi-rural I'd say), having two fiber modems installed because we have 2 competing fiber networks here. At least one of

Meanwhile here I am in the Netherlands (semi-rural I'd say), having two fiber modems installed because we have 2 competing fiber networks here. At least one of them goes to 2500/2500 for about 75 eur a month. Probably it'll go much higher in the future.

adriancr 4y ago
which provider goes to 2500/2500?
- teekert 4y ago
  Delta does, although I see now it's 8000/8000 (XGS-PON): [0] I need new gear ;) It's a bit annoying to find, everything is hidden behind area code filters. [0] https://www.delta.nl/internet/glasvezel/xgspon/ https://www.delta.nl/internet/glasvezel/xgspon/
  - adriancr 4y ago
    awesome, thanks, can't wait until they extend to my area
killingtime74 4y ago
Are the two fiber modems hooked up to different networks?
- teekert 4y ago
  Yes, one is already sticking up from the ground and will be brought into the house in the next month. And someone just came by to see if a second one can be installed, that one still needs to be brought to the house, somewhere in the next weeks. It seems wasteful, I know, but it's nice to have competition at least.
  - c12 4y ago
    Where I live it's very similar to electric and gas supply, where you have a common carrier that you get your supply over. There is one fibre cable into the building that goes out to some kind of interface accessed via a manhole ourside; all the local telcos use that fibre as common carrier and either rent existing fibre thats already been laid and hooked up to that interface, or lay their own at their own cost. I have choice of half a dozen suppliers this way but only one set of hardware in the house.
golemiprague 4y ago
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marcyb5st 4y ago
2.5 Gb/s symmetrical is a sweet deal. Here in Italy in a town of 3k people I got "only" a 1Gb/s symmetrical, but so far I can't complain. It costs 25€/month so it's a pretty great deal
- zwirbl 4y ago
  and here in Austria I just cannot get symmetrical, running on 1000/50 Mb/s right now
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    Well, consumers in Austria and Germany have by far the shittiest internet in all of EU. That's what you get when you let your corrupt politicians sell your national infrastructure and customer base to private monopolists who will rentseek you instead of competing and investing in infrastructure. I remember walking into an A1 shop browsing for internet offers for my new apartment and the lady working there straight up told me "you don't need more than 80 mbit" without even asking what I do with it or what I need it for, as if 80mbit is the national standard all citizens should get, like in communism. Gigabit here is a rare and expensive luxury while in most of EU is a freely available commodity.
    - iforgotpassword 4y ago
      Thank you Mr. Dr. Helmut Kohl!
    - guenthert 4y ago
      Just a few years ago our office (two floors, Fortune 500 company, more than 100 people on site) had a 100Mbps connection to the Internet (and a dedicated 1Gbps to a branch office). We had video conferences, mirrored OSS and back'ed up over the 'net. The dedicated link was at times a bottleneck, but I don't recall that the link to the Internet ever was. With the shift to cloud computing, at least in the awkward hybrid phase, that won't suffice for a business of that size, but it really isn't obvious what a single person would _need_ a gigabit connection for. Perhaps you can elaborate.
WeylandYutani 4y ago
I ordered KPN gigabit internet but I live on my own and probably don't need the bandwidth. It's cheaper than Ziggo' coax though (300 mb).
- teekert 4y ago
  I also don't need that much bandwidth directly. But, I'm a biologist specialized in the analysis of Next Generation Sequencing data. I'm also self employed and such bandwidths are true enablers of my business. I need Terra Bytes of data analyzed, most of this data comes from research institutes' IT departments. I can avoid a lot costs with a server at home. In fact, it can be a unique differentiator for me if I can sit in the niche where a couple of beefy cpus with a nice array of discs can still outperform the cloud cost-wise. To be honest, I still have to research that.
runsonrum 4y ago
cries a little I too am in Australia
l3x4ur1n 4y ago
"Semi-rural" Proportion of urban population 92.57% https://www.statista.com/statistics/276724/urbanization-in-the-netherlands/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/276724/urbanization-in-t...
- sourcecodeplz 4y ago
  Not to mention NL is like a blip on the world map as compared to AU on size..:)
  - happytiger 4y ago
    Au is only slightly smaller than the USA with 25.7 million people vs just California’s 39.24 and the Netherlands have 17.53 million — but bear in mind Australia is 186 times the size of the NDs. So it’s not surprising service is so good — the density of population makes broadband extremely profitable. People forget. The numbers tell a really great story.
    - 411111111111111 4y ago
      The population density is a correlated number, but it's not necessarily an issue, which makes this into one of my pet peeves. You could have a gigantic nation which is completely centralized into one city, giving you a super low population density on paper. It's not the case in any of your example, so not really an issue here. Nonetheless...
      - ghaff 4y ago
        For that matter, Australia as a whole--like some other low density areas like Alaska--actually has fairly concentrated population centers.
        happytiger 4y ago
        Yes, absolutely true. I think there’s something like 8M people just in NSW and the majority are Sydney. Only trying to provide context for the economics of density in places like Singapore and the a Netherlands, not necessarily prove the opposite use case. I just wanted to highlight a contrasting factor that is very important for fiber and other high speed service viability. There are many others! These criticisms are totally valid.
swiftcoder 4y ago
I'm in a farming village in Spain, all of 2 families living here, 45 minutes drive from the nearest population center, and they rolled out symetrical gigabit fibre last year (and not just to us - to every rural village in the region). The base 300/300 service is price capped at 38 euros/month as well. I'm paying a few bucks more for higher speed.
- girvo 4y ago
  A 45 minute drive doesn’t even get you out of Brisbane, where I live (and has gigabit down — drives me nuts that our upload is capped at 50mbps. That’s the worst part of our system IMO). We have a pretty different scale in a lot of ways: Australia is huge and basically empty, density wise.
m2fkxy 4y ago
> NL > (semi-)rural Pick one.
ta1243 4y ago
> semi-rural I'd say How many hundered km are you from the nearest settlement of >10,000 people? People in England, Netherlands, etc don't really get what remote means.
hcks 4y ago
Ah yeah, the famous Netherlands outback’s. Nearly 20km away from the nearest city.
- contravariant 4y ago
  If you're 20km away from the nearest city you're not in the Netherlands.
  - teekert 4y ago
    Yeah, I am 1 hour of biking away from a train station haha, we call it rural.
nickserv 4y ago
Here I am in Marseille, 3rd city in France, with shitty ADSL... Sure I can choose between 4 carriers, but none offer fiber.

adriancr 4y ago

which provider goes to 2500/2500?

teekert 4y ago
Delta does, although I see now it's 8000/8000 (XGS-PON): [0] I need new gear ;) It's a bit annoying to find, everything is hidden behind area code filters. [0] https://www.delta.nl/internet/glasvezel/xgspon/ https://www.delta.nl/internet/glasvezel/xgspon/
- adriancr 4y ago
  awesome, thanks, can't wait until they extend to my area

killingtime74 4y ago

Are the two fiber modems hooked up to different networks?

teekert 4y ago
Yes, one is already sticking up from the ground and will be brought into the house in the next month. And someone just came by to see if a second one can be installed, that one still needs to be brought to the house, somewhere in the next weeks. It seems wasteful, I know, but it's nice to have competition at least.
- c12 4y ago
  Where I live it's very similar to electric and gas supply, where you have a common carrier that you get your supply over. There is one fibre cable into the building that goes out to some kind of interface accessed via a manhole ourside; all the local telcos use that fibre as common carrier and either rent existing fibre thats already been laid and hooked up to that interface, or lay their own at their own cost. I have choice of half a dozen suppliers this way but only one set of hardware in the house.

golemiprague 4y ago

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marcyb5st 4y ago

2.5 Gb/s symmetrical is a sweet deal. Here in Italy in a town of 3k people I got "only" a 1Gb/s symmetrical, but so far I can't complain. It costs 25€/month so it's a pretty great deal

zwirbl 4y ago
and here in Austria I just cannot get symmetrical, running on 1000/50 Mb/s right now
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Well, consumers in Austria and Germany have by far the shittiest internet in all of EU. That's what you get when you let your corrupt politicians sell your national infrastructure and customer base to private monopolists who will rentseek you instead of competing and investing in infrastructure. I remember walking into an A1 shop browsing for internet offers for my new apartment and the lady working there straight up told me "you don't need more than 80 mbit" without even asking what I do with it or what I need it for, as if 80mbit is the national standard all citizens should get, like in communism. Gigabit here is a rare and expensive luxury while in most of EU is a freely available commodity.
  - iforgotpassword 4y ago
    Thank you Mr. Dr. Helmut Kohl!
  - guenthert 4y ago
    Just a few years ago our office (two floors, Fortune 500 company, more than 100 people on site) had a 100Mbps connection to the Internet (and a dedicated 1Gbps to a branch office). We had video conferences, mirrored OSS and back'ed up over the 'net. The dedicated link was at times a bottleneck, but I don't recall that the link to the Internet ever was. With the shift to cloud computing, at least in the awkward hybrid phase, that won't suffice for a business of that size, but it really isn't obvious what a single person would _need_ a gigabit connection for. Perhaps you can elaborate.

WeylandYutani 4y ago

I ordered KPN gigabit internet but I live on my own and probably don't need the bandwidth. It's cheaper than Ziggo' coax though (300 mb).

teekert 4y ago
I also don't need that much bandwidth directly. But, I'm a biologist specialized in the analysis of Next Generation Sequencing data. I'm also self employed and such bandwidths are true enablers of my business. I need Terra Bytes of data analyzed, most of this data comes from research institutes' IT departments. I can avoid a lot costs with a server at home. In fact, it can be a unique differentiator for me if I can sit in the niche where a couple of beefy cpus with a nice array of discs can still outperform the cloud cost-wise. To be honest, I still have to research that.

runsonrum 4y ago

cries a little I too am in Australia

l3x4ur1n 4y ago

"Semi-rural" Proportion of urban population 92.57% https://www.statista.com/statistics/276724/urbanization-in-the-netherlands/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/276724/urbanization-in-t...

sourcecodeplz 4y ago
Not to mention NL is like a blip on the world map as compared to AU on size..:)
- happytiger 4y ago
  Au is only slightly smaller than the USA with 25.7 million people vs just California’s 39.24 and the Netherlands have 17.53 million — but bear in mind Australia is 186 times the size of the NDs. So it’s not surprising service is so good — the density of population makes broadband extremely profitable. People forget. The numbers tell a really great story.
  - 411111111111111 4y ago
    The population density is a correlated number, but it's not necessarily an issue, which makes this into one of my pet peeves. You could have a gigantic nation which is completely centralized into one city, giving you a super low population density on paper. It's not the case in any of your example, so not really an issue here. Nonetheless...
    - ghaff 4y ago
      For that matter, Australia as a whole--like some other low density areas like Alaska--actually has fairly concentrated population centers.
      - happytiger 4y ago
        Yes, absolutely true. I think there’s something like 8M people just in NSW and the majority are Sydney. Only trying to provide context for the economics of density in places like Singapore and the a Netherlands, not necessarily prove the opposite use case. I just wanted to highlight a contrasting factor that is very important for fiber and other high speed service viability. There are many others! These criticisms are totally valid.

swiftcoder 4y ago

I'm in a farming village in Spain, all of 2 families living here, 45 minutes drive from the nearest population center, and they rolled out symetrical gigabit fibre last year (and not just to us - to every rural village in the region). The base 300/300 service is price capped at 38 euros/month as well. I'm paying a few bucks more for higher speed.

girvo 4y ago
A 45 minute drive doesn’t even get you out of Brisbane, where I live (and has gigabit down — drives me nuts that our upload is capped at 50mbps. That’s the worst part of our system IMO). We have a pretty different scale in a lot of ways: Australia is huge and basically empty, density wise.

m2fkxy 4y ago

> NL > (semi-)rural Pick one.

ta1243 4y ago

> semi-rural I'd say How many hundered km are you from the nearest settlement of >10,000 people? People in England, Netherlands, etc don't really get what remote means.

hcks 4y ago

Ah yeah, the famous Netherlands outback’s. Nearly 20km away from the nearest city.

contravariant 4y ago
If you're 20km away from the nearest city you're not in the Netherlands.
- teekert 4y ago
  Yeah, I am 1 hour of biking away from a train station haha, we call it rural.

nickserv 4y ago

Here I am in Marseille, 3rd city in France, with shitty ADSL... Sure I can choose between 4 carriers, but none offer fiber.