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Yeah and it's like, nonsensical for the service: if you are working in open source, the reality is that a lot of the time you are working with software you don'

by saurik 4y ago

Yeah and it's like, nonsensical for the service: if you are working in open source, the reality is that a lot of the time you are working with software you don't own. I develop a lot of software, and the vast majority of it was open source... but I've only ever put two projects of mine on GitHub (and one only because I was working with some other people and I essentially got outvoted ;P). And yet, if you search for my code, I'm sure you can find almost all of it on GitHub, because it was open source and other people wanted to be able to edit it or even merely redistribute it... which I'd have said is there right, but I guess not if supposedly that overrides the license on the software? Or like, if this were the case, how would one expect some large/old open source project with a ton of prior contributions--which is normally fine as everyone has the same rights under the license and so you just all mix your code together and are happy: you don't actually need some central organization with ownership until you want to change the license (which is something many people explicitly don't want to ever happen)--to be hosted on GitHub? Even simpler: most of Google's code is open source--such as the Android Open Source Project, or Chromium--but they don't host it officially on GitHub... I guess it isn't OK for anyone to work on this stuff on GitHub either, right?

friend_and_foe 4y ago
Yup, and this contrived conundrum is proof positive of a truth: all code is licensed before the ToS is agreed to, whether published or not. Licenses override ToS, which means that Microsoft needs to remove all code on github either due to ToS violations, since their ToS directly contradicts all licenses, or because the licenses contradict their ToS. What it comes down to is that the Github ToS is illegal.
toastal 4y ago
Absurd is communities like Elm where all identity and package management must be published on Microsoft GitHub or you and your code can't be a part the community repository.

by saurik 4y ago

friend_and_foe 4y ago

Yup, and this contrived conundrum is proof positive of a truth: all code is licensed before the ToS is agreed to, whether published or not. Licenses override ToS, which means that Microsoft needs to remove all code on github either due to ToS violations, since their ToS directly contradicts all licenses, or because the licenses contradict their ToS. What it comes down to is that the Github ToS is illegal.

toastal 4y ago

Absurd is communities like Elm where all identity and package management must be published on Microsoft GitHub or you and your code can't be a part the community repository.