> I am sure I will get all kinds of hate for saying this: despite the extra up front cost, apple stuff is a better value. No it isn't better value, it's expens

> I am sure I will get all kinds of hate for saying this: despite the extra up front cost, apple stuff is a better value. No it isn't better value, it's expensive for what it is, especially when you can find $200 refurbished Asus Vivobooks out there with a Ryzen 5/7 APU and run linux on them. Apple products are insanely expensive and are often plagued by specific problems due to Apple obsession with (thin) design at the expense of usability.