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Now ban them and their bike scheme counterparts in London. An absolute blight on the city. Their USP is they can be left anywhere. https://i.imgur.com/s59Bvf3

Now ban them and their bike scheme counterparts in London. An absolute blight on the city. Their USP is they can be left anywhere. https://i.imgur.com/s59Bvf3.png https://i.imgur.com/s59Bvf3.png

renewiltord 4y ago
Those Lime bikes are terrific. Great for access to places that don't have Santander bikes.
- easytiger 4y ago
  Great for the fraction of a percent of Londoners who use them, terrible for every one else
  - renewiltord 4y ago
    I just walk past them when I'm not using them. Very easy. Hardly a problem.
    - anhner 4y ago
      Perhaps because you don't have a disability or a stroller with a young child so that you can comfortably and effortlessly avoid them...
      - te_chris 4y ago
        They’re fine with a stroller mostly. From personal experience around Hackney, Islington and Haringey.
      - ehnto 4y ago
        If sidewalks could be wider it wouldn't be as much of a concern. Narrow sidewalks are to accommodate car parking more often than not. I would rather see less of that in a city centre.
        easytiger 4y ago
        The overcompensation is palpable
        ehnto 4y ago
        It's not clear what you are implying. Could you elaborate?
        easytiger 4y ago
        That you know these bikes and scooters blocking pavements is a social ill but you do not care because it is convenient for a fraction of a percent of commuters
        ehnto 4y ago
        Ah I see, thank you. I think they are a blight as well, but less of a blight than car dominance in city centres. If you can barely fit a pram past a scooter on your footpath, see the bigger picture, your footpath is tool small. You have given all your space to non-mixed road traffic or parking.
        easytiger 4y ago
        I've worked in London for near on 20 years. The people using these are not using them as an alternative to a car. If you look about in Z1 the congestion comes from poor road management and an uptick in commercial traffic. But sure, as a plumber to come to your house on his bike. See how that goes. The footpaths have been rougly the same around where i live for 4/500 years.
        ehnto 4y ago
        I haven't spoken about commuting at all. My core point is that car centric city centres sacrificed their space for people to cars, and that blaming scooters for the lack of space was missing the forest for the trees. The fact that you can't fit a pram past a scooter is the same reason businesses can't do alfresco dining, mothers on bicycles have to ride amongst cars, peds have to wait at crossings, walking anywhere is unpleasant and your children can't ride their bikes to school, etc etc. I am not going to pretend it hasn't happened and shift blame to everything but cars just because it's the current status quo. Before cars your 400 year old road was mixed use, and your plumber certainly didn't turn up in a box van. When cars turned up, everything got pushed onto the sidewalk to make way for cars. It wasn't so long ago, there is no shortage of film of how cities used to be before cars.
      - renewiltord 4y ago
        Had a motorcycle accident. Completely pulverized. ICU for a week. Got out and was driven everywhere for a while, but when I walked these were not a substantial burden.
  - ehnto 4y ago
    Not without problems, but still miles better than toting your car through a city centre.
te_chris 4y ago
The lime bikes are wonderful. I’ll fight you and anyone else who tries to take them away again. You pic shows them towards a corner kerb with space behind.
- easytiger 4y ago
  They are blocking the pavement. They are a disease. Their value to you is derived from the inconvenience they cause to others. https://i.imgur.com/oeQjcJS.png https://i.imgur.com/oeQjcJS.png
  - te_chris 4y ago
    Cars literally kill people. They don’t always block the pavement. They deliver far more to the city than they inconvenience. I say this as someone who has to push a stroller around.
    - easytiger 4y ago
      https://i.imgur.com/j1bRBp5.png https://i.imgur.com/j1bRBp5.png I've been pushing someone in a wheel chair for about a year now. Trust me. This is no trivial matter

Now ban them and their bike scheme counterparts in London. An absolute blight on the city. Their USP is they can be left anywhere. https://i.imgur.com/s59Bvf3.png https://i.imgur.com/s59Bvf3.png

renewiltord 4y ago

Those Lime bikes are terrific. Great for access to places that don't have Santander bikes.

easytiger 4y ago
Great for the fraction of a percent of Londoners who use them, terrible for every one else
- renewiltord 4y ago
  I just walk past them when I'm not using them. Very easy. Hardly a problem.
  - anhner 4y ago
    Perhaps because you don't have a disability or a stroller with a young child so that you can comfortably and effortlessly avoid them...
    - te_chris 4y ago
      They’re fine with a stroller mostly. From personal experience around Hackney, Islington and Haringey.
    - ehnto 4y ago
      If sidewalks could be wider it wouldn't be as much of a concern. Narrow sidewalks are to accommodate car parking more often than not. I would rather see less of that in a city centre.
      - easytiger 4y ago
        The overcompensation is palpable
        ehnto 4y ago
        It's not clear what you are implying. Could you elaborate?
        easytiger 4y ago
        That you know these bikes and scooters blocking pavements is a social ill but you do not care because it is convenient for a fraction of a percent of commuters
        ehnto 4y ago
        Ah I see, thank you. I think they are a blight as well, but less of a blight than car dominance in city centres. If you can barely fit a pram past a scooter on your footpath, see the bigger picture, your footpath is tool small. You have given all your space to non-mixed road traffic or parking.
        easytiger 4y ago
        I've worked in London for near on 20 years. The people using these are not using them as an alternative to a car. If you look about in Z1 the congestion comes from poor road management and an uptick in commercial traffic. But sure, as a plumber to come to your house on his bike. See how that goes. The footpaths have been rougly the same around where i live for 4/500 years.
        ehnto 4y ago
        I haven't spoken about commuting at all. My core point is that car centric city centres sacrificed their space for people to cars, and that blaming scooters for the lack of space was missing the forest for the trees. The fact that you can't fit a pram past a scooter is the same reason businesses can't do alfresco dining, mothers on bicycles have to ride amongst cars, peds have to wait at crossings, walking anywhere is unpleasant and your children can't ride their bikes to school, etc etc. I am not going to pretend it hasn't happened and shift blame to everything but cars just because it's the current status quo. Before cars your 400 year old road was mixed use, and your plumber certainly didn't turn up in a box van. When cars turned up, everything got pushed onto the sidewalk to make way for cars. It wasn't so long ago, there is no shortage of film of how cities used to be before cars.
    - renewiltord 4y ago
      Had a motorcycle accident. Completely pulverized. ICU for a week. Got out and was driven everywhere for a while, but when I walked these were not a substantial burden.
- ehnto 4y ago
  Not without problems, but still miles better than toting your car through a city centre.

te_chris 4y ago

The lime bikes are wonderful. I’ll fight you and anyone else who tries to take them away again. You pic shows them towards a corner kerb with space behind.

easytiger 4y ago
They are blocking the pavement. They are a disease. Their value to you is derived from the inconvenience they cause to others. https://i.imgur.com/oeQjcJS.png https://i.imgur.com/oeQjcJS.png
- te_chris 4y ago
  Cars literally kill people. They don’t always block the pavement. They deliver far more to the city than they inconvenience. I say this as someone who has to push a stroller around.
  - easytiger 4y ago
    https://i.imgur.com/j1bRBp5.png https://i.imgur.com/j1bRBp5.png I've been pushing someone in a wheel chair for about a year now. Trust me. This is no trivial matter