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No one is contending that using scooters is bad for the user. They are saying a bunch of drunk users are using them recklessly for non-users and are getting in
by HWR_14 4y ago
No one is contending that using scooters is bad for the user. They are saying a bunch of drunk users are using them recklessly for non-users and are getting in people's way by parking them all over the sidewalks and streets.
An aggressive ticketing campaign isn't very helpful in a city with a lot of tourists, because they'll just go home without having paid the ticket. Is Interpol going to seek out 30 euros?
- DoingIsLearning 4y ago> An aggressive ticketing campaign isn't very helpful in a city with a lot of tourists, because they'll just go home without having paid the ticket. Is Interpol going to seek out 30 euros? I have proposed this before in my city, ticket the e-scoter company for improper parking not the users. Most of these business have gps trackers on them they will quickly find a way to enforce proper parking onto users. We need to stop externalizing problems away from companies.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago>Most of these business have gps trackers on them they will quickly find a way to enforce proper parking onto users. BINGO! Haven't parked your scooter in the designated area? -10 Euros fee on your credit card. Driving recklessly on the scooter? -30 Euros fee.
- mikeodds 4y agoI’ve seen Lime have the inverse (ie non parking zones) in various US cities where you will be warned then billed (I think $50! in Venice beach) if you finish the ride.
- HWR_14 4y agoThat is a solution that could work.
- tallanvor 4y agoI know that in Oslo they can fine the scooter companies for people parking them improperly, but you still have to have officials out looking for them and actually issuing the fines. The result here is that tourist areas have fewer problems, but they're left littering the sidewalks in residential areas.
- alistairSH 4y agoHeck, you could probably create parking zones (with signs/paint/etc) and most people would use them. Part of the problem now is users don't know where to put the scooters. You'd think common sense would dictate not across sidewalks, but humans prove time and again that common sense isn't very common.
- entropyneur 4y agoHmm, I'm pretty sure fining within EU is a solved problem and for everyone else we have border control.
- HWR_14 4y agoFining within the EU is not a solved problem. In 2019, millions of international fines went uncollected because the infrastructure still was buggy. So, legally it is a solved problem, but practical enforcement is not (yet). Border control does not (currently) detect fines and prevent people from leaving to non-EU locations.
- hn_throwaway_99 4y ago> No one is contending that using scooters is bad for the user. I'll definitely contend they're bad for the user. Now, to your point about being drunk, it could be due to the facet that in my city they seem to be primarily used for bar hopping, but my partner works in a hospital and has seen too many horrific injuries (and deaths) of scooter riders - like way more than bicyclists or even motorcycles (which he refers to as donor-cycles).
- mariusor 4y agoYou don't ticket the tourists directly, you ticket the scooter company. You can be sure that the scooter company will either get their money from the riders, or will develop really quick some methods to make it impossible to leave them in undesignated areas.
- midasuni 4y agoTake a €30 charge on the credit card when you start the rental. Refund when finished correctly.