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> I mean the type of multi-cultural evil that strips people of their ability to respond (agency), tells them misleading lies, promotes flawed and self-defeatin

> I mean the type of multi-cultural evil that strips people of their ability to respond (agency), tells them misleading lies, promotes flawed and self-defeating beliefs, causes loss in one form or another, and worse most of the time the people doing this are mentally ill but you still have to deal with the outcomes. This is such a non-statement that everyone can fill in with the ideology that they choose to categorize in this way. You voiced a lot of super general concerns, but without specific examples it's difficult what you actually believe. Because so much language has been corrupted. Both people that see peaceful transition of power of democracy in the US being threatened, and those that are against public health mandated COVID lockdowns call those that disagree with them "fascist". So I genuinely don't know what you're talking about in this paragraph and I'm curious if you would be willing to share some examples.

than3 4y ago
> This is such a non-statement Its not a statement, its a set of statements that compose a characterization, which is something commonly done by scientists, engineers, and rational people to communicate specific descriptions so they can be recognized again by others, this is primarily done when common words are not available to match specific common meanings in communications. > can fill in with the ideology that they choose to categorize in this way You'll have to further clarify what you mean, there are two potential meanings embedded with that single statement, and you've failed to communicate which one that is, it looks to me like you've misunderstood this as some ideology akin to philosophy such as consequentialism when its a description of behavior. A characterization is just a description of the distinctive nature, elements, features, or composition of someone or something specific, in this case behavior. Behavior that leaves at least one party with a negative outcome while also negatively impacting all or most future outcomes related to that party. Its important to understand and convey the correct and rational meaning of words, as you said many groups seek to corrupt language to prevent communication, to distract, disorient, and create disunity using a whole host of sordid and malign influence tactics to cause distorted reflected appraisal. > Both people... and those that disagree with them. We will not be going off into the weeds, talking about potentially irrational beliefs of others, or getting bogged down in unrelated controversial narratives as those only serve disunity and chaos. You may also want to review the actual definition and elements of fascism. Regardless, what you mention here has no relevance to the current discussion.
- imknewhere 4y ago
  What GP means (I imagine, anyway) is that your post has a whole bunch of words in it without really saying what you think. Because you haven't really staked out an opinion, after throwing up some serious-sounding phrases, the whole thing comes off as vaguely "both sides-y" and thus not very helpful? I was confused about your post, too. What did you mean?
  - than3 4y ago
    > thus not very helpful Its helpful to those that understood it and who understand what the stakes are, and also in giving the necessary words people need for a time when they will need them. If you are unable to see anything wrong with where the behavior I describe leads inevitably, you deserve the outcomes that are coming. Make no mistake death is not uncommon when these types of systems fail towards their logical conclusion, if left to propagate forward unabated, the outcome is an inevitable cascade. Its a part of a cycle that's happened many times in the past with the same conclusion. This has happened before many times in history, and it will happen again until we learn our lessons as a people. This time it will be much worse because so much of our population is wholly dependent on technological systems that will fail to deliver enough food when those societal failures do occur. If you can't see where this path of coercion, compulsion, and other intolerable acts have led us in the past, no amount of words will convince you otherwise. You would have to learn by experience, and the downsides firsthand, and by then it would be too late to do or be anything other than a victim of circumstance. What odds do you give yourself or your children of survival when those failures occur and suddenly 8-12 billion have to subsist on practices available that can only at their theoretical maxima feed 2-4 billion.
    - deanCommie 4y ago
      I just want to let you know that even if you believe in the words you are saying, these kind of hollow empty platitudes have historically been weaponized by bad faith agitators to either perpetuate or propagate abuse. I already gave you one example: reactionaries appropriated those criticizing Trump's policies as "fascist" to call those that disagree with public health lockdowns as the same. Likewise, your original terms of "flawed and self-defeating beliefs" and "mentally ill" are currently being weaponized by the same people to brandish transgender people as harmful ideologues. Just thought you should know, in the slim hope that you don't. Because if you do, you either don't care or are doing it on purpose. Both of which are harmful. Ultimately, you sound like AI-generated. You say a lot of words that individually have meaning without saying anything at all.

than3 4y ago

> This is such a non-statement Its not a statement, its a set of statements that compose a characterization, which is something commonly done by scientists, engineers, and rational people to communicate specific descriptions so they can be recognized again by others, this is primarily done when common words are not available to match specific common meanings in communications. > can fill in with the ideology that they choose to categorize in this way You'll have to further clarify what you mean, there are two potential meanings embedded with that single statement, and you've failed to communicate which one that is, it looks to me like you've misunderstood this as some ideology akin to philosophy such as consequentialism when its a description of behavior. A characterization is just a description of the distinctive nature, elements, features, or composition of someone or something specific, in this case behavior. Behavior that leaves at least one party with a negative outcome while also negatively impacting all or most future outcomes related to that party. Its important to understand and convey the correct and rational meaning of words, as you said many groups seek to corrupt language to prevent communication, to distract, disorient, and create disunity using a whole host of sordid and malign influence tactics to cause distorted reflected appraisal. > Both people... and those that disagree with them. We will not be going off into the weeds, talking about potentially irrational beliefs of others, or getting bogged down in unrelated controversial narratives as those only serve disunity and chaos. You may also want to review the actual definition and elements of fascism. Regardless, what you mention here has no relevance to the current discussion.

imknewhere 4y ago
What GP means (I imagine, anyway) is that your post has a whole bunch of words in it without really saying what you think. Because you haven't really staked out an opinion, after throwing up some serious-sounding phrases, the whole thing comes off as vaguely "both sides-y" and thus not very helpful? I was confused about your post, too. What did you mean?
- than3 4y ago
  > thus not very helpful Its helpful to those that understood it and who understand what the stakes are, and also in giving the necessary words people need for a time when they will need them. If you are unable to see anything wrong with where the behavior I describe leads inevitably, you deserve the outcomes that are coming. Make no mistake death is not uncommon when these types of systems fail towards their logical conclusion, if left to propagate forward unabated, the outcome is an inevitable cascade. Its a part of a cycle that's happened many times in the past with the same conclusion. This has happened before many times in history, and it will happen again until we learn our lessons as a people. This time it will be much worse because so much of our population is wholly dependent on technological systems that will fail to deliver enough food when those societal failures do occur. If you can't see where this path of coercion, compulsion, and other intolerable acts have led us in the past, no amount of words will convince you otherwise. You would have to learn by experience, and the downsides firsthand, and by then it would be too late to do or be anything other than a victim of circumstance. What odds do you give yourself or your children of survival when those failures occur and suddenly 8-12 billion have to subsist on practices available that can only at their theoretical maxima feed 2-4 billion.
  - deanCommie 4y ago
    I just want to let you know that even if you believe in the words you are saying, these kind of hollow empty platitudes have historically been weaponized by bad faith agitators to either perpetuate or propagate abuse. I already gave you one example: reactionaries appropriated those criticizing Trump's policies as "fascist" to call those that disagree with public health lockdowns as the same. Likewise, your original terms of "flawed and self-defeating beliefs" and "mentally ill" are currently being weaponized by the same people to brandish transgender people as harmful ideologues. Just thought you should know, in the slim hope that you don't. Because if you do, you either don't care or are doing it on purpose. Both of which are harmful. Ultimately, you sound like AI-generated. You say a lot of words that individually have meaning without saying anything at all.