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Any solution to this problem, as many tropical countries may become inhabitable during summers?

tomohelix 4y ago
Frankly? None at all. We have past the point of no return. We can try to limit the damage now but there will be damages. There is no real political will to change, both in the government and in the people. Just look at the French and their protest when they have to work a few more years because their country would collapse otherwise. Or the anger when prices of goods that were already heavily subsidized rise, such as agriculture and fossil fuels or cheap toys that have to be shipped across the planet. People want changes, but few of them are willing to accept the personal sacrifices that come with such changes. Developing countries without robust infrastructure and wealth will have problems. Those living in rich and powerful countries may have less comfortable lives but it is likely they won't have to worry about "living" at all. It is developing countries like those in Africa and Middle East that will bear the brunt.
- kevinventullo 4y ago
  As concisely as possible, could you please connect French retirement age with global warming? Please do not change the subject or go off on a tangent. Simply draw the straightest line. Now, do it without passing through a billionaire’s pockets.
  - rich_sasha 4y ago
    Not GP but I'll try: retirement age is a similar issue, with a "tragedy of the commons" feel to it. Retirement age falling behind increases in life expectancy is unsustainable, and will likely end up with the system crashing, or effectively crashing (like people receiving notional but tiny and insufficient pensions). Rather than take some pain upfront and have a better final outcome, the French apparently (I'm not 100% following the news there) choose to protest, deny the issue and risk taking a big one on the chin later on. In that respect climate change is similar, as people prefer to stick to their current lifestyles at the cost of a tougher future.
    - _nalply 4y ago
      As a Swiss watching the French protests: it seems not so much about retirement age but inequality and injustice. People seem to think, after I have worked off my ass for decades I have a right to retire, the one percent be damned!
    - kevinventullo 4y ago
      Okay thanks, I see the analogy. I was under the impression GP thought they were actually directly related somehow.
- jhanschoo 4y ago
  > People want changes, but few of them are willing to accept the personal sacrifices that come with such changes. If by people you mean the average person, I don't agree with this line of reasoning, at least in the US. There's such a large and effective apparatus to perpetuate hegemony by corporate and media interests (in the Gramscian sense). I don't know if there's an effective mechanism for the collective average person to set the political agenda, and ironically the most prominent examples I've thought are the Trumpers (getting Trump elected) and QAnon (4chan conspiracy becoming so serious that it becomes a media talking point).
- fuzzythinker 4y ago
  I don't know about "None at all". But I sure don't hear much talk about the feasibility or infeasibility of orbital shields/reflectors or other slightly out of the box solutions.
olalonde 4y ago
The solution is simple but people need to be educated. You have to stay indoors, drink water and use air conditioning if possible.
chimprich 4y ago
The world is doing a piss-poor job of limiting the heating, which should be the best solution. Realistically we're looking at mass migration in the very near future on a scale humanity has never experienced.
nostrademons 4y ago
Move. They'll become like the Sahara now - desolate wasteland that can't support life. Ironically, the Sahara itself is greening, and large parts of the taiga and permafrost may open up to human habitation.

Frankly? None at all. We have past the point of no return. We can try to limit the damage now but there will be damages. There is no real political will to change, both in the government and in the people. Just look at the French and their protest when they have to work a few more years because their country would collapse otherwise. Or the anger when prices of goods that were already heavily subsidized rise, such as agriculture and fossil fuels or cheap toys that have to be shipped across the planet. People want changes, but few of them are willing to accept the personal sacrifices that come with such changes. Developing countries without robust infrastructure and wealth will have problems. Those living in rich and powerful countries may have less comfortable lives but it is likely they won't have to worry about "living" at all. It is developing countries like those in Africa and Middle East that will bear the brunt.

kevinventullo 4y ago
As concisely as possible, could you please connect French retirement age with global warming? Please do not change the subject or go off on a tangent. Simply draw the straightest line. Now, do it without passing through a billionaire’s pockets.
- rich_sasha 4y ago
  Not GP but I'll try: retirement age is a similar issue, with a "tragedy of the commons" feel to it. Retirement age falling behind increases in life expectancy is unsustainable, and will likely end up with the system crashing, or effectively crashing (like people receiving notional but tiny and insufficient pensions). Rather than take some pain upfront and have a better final outcome, the French apparently (I'm not 100% following the news there) choose to protest, deny the issue and risk taking a big one on the chin later on. In that respect climate change is similar, as people prefer to stick to their current lifestyles at the cost of a tougher future.
  - _nalply 4y ago
    As a Swiss watching the French protests: it seems not so much about retirement age but inequality and injustice. People seem to think, after I have worked off my ass for decades I have a right to retire, the one percent be damned!
  - kevinventullo 4y ago
    Okay thanks, I see the analogy. I was under the impression GP thought they were actually directly related somehow.
jhanschoo 4y ago
> People want changes, but few of them are willing to accept the personal sacrifices that come with such changes. If by people you mean the average person, I don't agree with this line of reasoning, at least in the US. There's such a large and effective apparatus to perpetuate hegemony by corporate and media interests (in the Gramscian sense). I don't know if there's an effective mechanism for the collective average person to set the political agenda, and ironically the most prominent examples I've thought are the Trumpers (getting Trump elected) and QAnon (4chan conspiracy becoming so serious that it becomes a media talking point).
fuzzythinker 4y ago
I don't know about "None at all". But I sure don't hear much talk about the feasibility or infeasibility of orbital shields/reflectors or other slightly out of the box solutions.

olalonde 4y ago

The solution is simple but people need to be educated. You have to stay indoors, drink water and use air conditioning if possible.

chimprich 4y ago

The world is doing a piss-poor job of limiting the heating, which should be the best solution. Realistically we're looking at mass migration in the very near future on a scale humanity has never experienced.

nostrademons 4y ago

Move. They'll become like the Sahara now - desolate wasteland that can't support life. Ironically, the Sahara itself is greening, and large parts of the taiga and permafrost may open up to human habitation.