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Please show me a new status system. Not just different people on top of an already existing one. I could see brand new status systems existing for, say, a new

Please show me a new status system. Not just different people on top of an already existing one. I could see brand new status systems existing for, say, a new video game. Everyone starts out equally as newbies and works their way up. Maybe someone could leverage their position in a current status system (such as wealth or free time) to boost their potential in this new system. Brand new industries could create new status systems, though I don't know how often they really do (for instance, the female programmers of the early computer era tended to bring their lower status into the system, not get status from the new system). I suffer from the problem of not paying attention to status. Which kind of puts me on the outskirts of any status system, or at the very least not able to recognize my status within current systems.

davnicwil 4y ago
YC
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  That's a club within the venture capital status system, right?
  - davnicwil 4y ago
    now, yes. Not when it started.
    - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
      I don't know about the beginnings of YC.
  - pclmulqdq 4y ago
    Which really existed for how long? YC was one of the groups that created that system.
    - gumby 4y ago
      Uhh, 35+ years before YC, which is less than 20 years old. And the VC system arguably evolved from the system that funded whaling voyages, though I really think it dates back to the joint stock limited liability corporation.
ehnto 4y ago
Calisthenics was not previously the realm of social status, money or prestige, but there is an industry that "gives" people at the top a place to hold status, both social and financial. I think this happened to a lot of typically very regular low status arenas when the "Influencer" was born, and being good at something non-profitable could now be turned into views, advertising and thus money and fame. Now every grassroots arena can be converted into a vehicle for money and fame, and you have people famous for lots of non-competitive arenas. Like modifying cars, cycling for fun not racing, just generally being fit... there are people famous for making How To Make a Game videos who are considered authorities on the topic, who have never actually made a game.
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  These are some very good examples.
hackerlight 4y ago
There's status silos everywhere. Chess, sports, games, prisons, inside companies, inside professions, startups, inside academic disciplines. Each of these status silos shares an abstract similarity. They are groups of people battling it out for their peers' recognition and prestige in a zero-sum contest. The criteria by which prestige is bestowed will vary from silo to silo. So it's up to the players of the game to know what the criteria is in their silo of choice, and optimize for it. In a prison, it's violence. In chess, it's competence. In a company, it might be politicking. > I suffer from the problem of not paying attention to status. Are you sure? Maybe you just don't pay attention to conventional status markers. But you are still competing in a status silo (such as a contest here on HN for points?), just an unorthodox one.
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  > In chess, it's competence. And of course the organizers of chess tournaments also have status. Just as the people who can get things from the outside would have status in a prison. > Are you sure? I mean I'm sure I notice it at times. It is nice when others pay positive attention to what I post. Or in real life when people positively value my contributions. > Maybe you just don't pay attention to conventional status markers. That would be it. I think it's the "status hierarchy" that I don't pay attention to. My interpersonal status seeking and status noticing is not comparative. One person really valuing something from me is as good as 100. I notice when these hierarchies are pointed out, but I don't find value in them when they're pointed out. And credentialism pisses me off.

davnicwil 4y ago

anonymouskimmer 4y ago
That's a club within the venture capital status system, right?
- davnicwil 4y ago
  now, yes. Not when it started.
  - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
    I don't know about the beginnings of YC.
- pclmulqdq 4y ago
  Which really existed for how long? YC was one of the groups that created that system.
  - gumby 4y ago
    Uhh, 35+ years before YC, which is less than 20 years old. And the VC system arguably evolved from the system that funded whaling voyages, though I really think it dates back to the joint stock limited liability corporation.

ehnto 4y ago

Calisthenics was not previously the realm of social status, money or prestige, but there is an industry that "gives" people at the top a place to hold status, both social and financial. I think this happened to a lot of typically very regular low status arenas when the "Influencer" was born, and being good at something non-profitable could now be turned into views, advertising and thus money and fame. Now every grassroots arena can be converted into a vehicle for money and fame, and you have people famous for lots of non-competitive arenas. Like modifying cars, cycling for fun not racing, just generally being fit... there are people famous for making How To Make a Game videos who are considered authorities on the topic, who have never actually made a game.

anonymouskimmer 4y ago
These are some very good examples.

hackerlight 4y ago

There's status silos everywhere. Chess, sports, games, prisons, inside companies, inside professions, startups, inside academic disciplines. Each of these status silos shares an abstract similarity. They are groups of people battling it out for their peers' recognition and prestige in a zero-sum contest. The criteria by which prestige is bestowed will vary from silo to silo. So it's up to the players of the game to know what the criteria is in their silo of choice, and optimize for it. In a prison, it's violence. In chess, it's competence. In a company, it might be politicking. > I suffer from the problem of not paying attention to status. Are you sure? Maybe you just don't pay attention to conventional status markers. But you are still competing in a status silo (such as a contest here on HN for points?), just an unorthodox one.

anonymouskimmer 4y ago
> In chess, it's competence. And of course the organizers of chess tournaments also have status. Just as the people who can get things from the outside would have status in a prison. > Are you sure? I mean I'm sure I notice it at times. It is nice when others pay positive attention to what I post. Or in real life when people positively value my contributions. > Maybe you just don't pay attention to conventional status markers. That would be it. I think it's the "status hierarchy" that I don't pay attention to. My interpersonal status seeking and status noticing is not comparative. One person really valuing something from me is as good as 100. I notice when these hierarchies are pointed out, but I don't find value in them when they're pointed out. And credentialism pisses me off.