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QED

by 23B1 4y ago

QED

ethanbond 4y ago
Is your claim that the patronizing tone is the source of or a possible solution to the South’s problems? Or is this a, “because the coasts are patronizing, we don’t need to discuss these issues.” Seems like the latter to me but I’d be interested to hear if it’s the former.
- 23B1 4y ago
  “You made your bed, now lay in it” is neither constructive nor effective in changing minds.
  - ethanbond 4y ago
    No one is saying that. This would be a good retort if anyone was proposing that the South actually lay in its own bed. I have never heard any proposal from the patronizing coastal elites to cut off funding for Southern welfare states.
    - 23B1 4y ago
      “The South ties its wagon to the wrong horse year in and year out. No one forces them to do that.” . . .
  - lapcat 4y ago
    True. What is effective, though? Cultures do change themselves over time, but it may be painfully slow, and sometimes they don't change. I'm not condescending or judging. We're all human biologically, and culture is not a simple matter of individual responsibility, it's a collective and historical phenomenon. Individuals may be able to rise above their culture, but in some cases the path can be longer and steeper. Would I be the same person if I were born in a different place? If I were born in a different time? Of course not. We've all been shaped by our culture. In any case, it's difficult to help when relevant help is rejected, e.g., ACA subsidies. Moreover, there's an underlying conflict of values and even religion that pervades the politics, seeping into seemingly unrelated issues such as health and economics, and undermining the possibility of agreement or compromise. It's difficult to be kind, sympathetic, understanding, patient with someone when that someone goes out of their way to try to take away civil rights that you care deeply about. At a certain point, you need to fall back to self-preservation.
  - mrzimmerman 4y ago
    And that isn’t being said here. Frustration with a person’s family is one comment, discussions of the cultural problems on the south in another (denial/defiance), but regardless of someone’s tone thousands of miles away the problem is still there and the source of it is not the tone or words used by individuals from far away.

QED

by 23B1 4y ago

QED

Is your claim that the patronizing tone is the source of or a possible solution to the South’s problems? Or is this a, “because the coasts are patronizing, we don’t need to discuss these issues.” Seems like the latter to me but I’d be interested to hear if it’s the former.

23B1 4y ago
“You made your bed, now lay in it” is neither constructive nor effective in changing minds.
- ethanbond 4y ago
  No one is saying that. This would be a good retort if anyone was proposing that the South actually lay in its own bed. I have never heard any proposal from the patronizing coastal elites to cut off funding for Southern welfare states.
  - 23B1 4y ago
    “The South ties its wagon to the wrong horse year in and year out. No one forces them to do that.” . . .
- lapcat 4y ago
  True. What is effective, though? Cultures do change themselves over time, but it may be painfully slow, and sometimes they don't change. I'm not condescending or judging. We're all human biologically, and culture is not a simple matter of individual responsibility, it's a collective and historical phenomenon. Individuals may be able to rise above their culture, but in some cases the path can be longer and steeper. Would I be the same person if I were born in a different place? If I were born in a different time? Of course not. We've all been shaped by our culture. In any case, it's difficult to help when relevant help is rejected, e.g., ACA subsidies. Moreover, there's an underlying conflict of values and even religion that pervades the politics, seeping into seemingly unrelated issues such as health and economics, and undermining the possibility of agreement or compromise. It's difficult to be kind, sympathetic, understanding, patient with someone when that someone goes out of their way to try to take away civil rights that you care deeply about. At a certain point, you need to fall back to self-preservation.
- mrzimmerman 4y ago
  And that isn’t being said here. Frustration with a person’s family is one comment, discussions of the cultural problems on the south in another (denial/defiance), but regardless of someone’s tone thousands of miles away the problem is still there and the source of it is not the tone or words used by individuals from far away.