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> Then magic happens? Who does it? You do it after hours or on weekends or hire help for that. A lot of couples with kids figured that out before the pandemic

> Then magic happens? Who does it? You do it after hours or on weekends or hire help for that. A lot of couples with kids figured that out before the pandemic so not really any rocket science stuff about that. > Google offered the tools for their employees to bond online that it would not work? My company has gone all in on making remote-first work and the leadership is sincerely trying all it can. We tried many tools for online socializing (games, food and drink, some social apps...). They all sucked. Finally the company gave up and started shelling up big bucks to fly everyone in for offsites. And that has its big challenge of crazy expensive flights and hotels, or a lack of dates/locations where everyone can make it. If you got any tools which did the trick for your team, please do share. > follow a different schedule and call them coasting Your literal words: "do household work whilst working from home". That's not having a different schedule. That is coasting.

re-thc 4y ago
> You do it after hours or on weekends or hire help for that. A lot of couples with kids figured that out before the pandemic so not really any rocket science stuff about that. Did they? You mean where 1 side dumped it on the other side? Lots of census data worldwide (and others) have indicated it is the male dumping the work on the female and calling it "figured out". If that's what you meant then sure. As in make someone else suffer. You can't do it after hours. You can't do it when you choose to. Like literally do you just tell a newborn to stop being hungry because it's not the weekend? As to hiring help - can everyone afford it? And does that mean you are hands off? > My company has gone all in on making remote-first work and the leadership is sincerely trying all it can. We tried many tools for online socializing (games, food and drink, some social apps...). They all sucked. Finally the company gave up and started shelling up big bucks to fly everyone in for offsites. And that has its big challenge of crazy expensive flights and hotels, or a lack of dates/locations where everyone can make it. If you got any tools which did the trick for your team, please do share. It doesn't sound like the tools here. It's the mentality, attitude and direction. From your replies you've already indicated that sitting on a desk during certain hours is the priority and not the actual tasks. Even if I did the same amount of work as in the office but did my chores during that time you'd scold me for it... even if in the office I'd go for a walk, gym or coffee or anything else... To you as the manager what's the real difference? All you're doing is lifting in-person to remote 1:1 just like when some businesses move to the cloud. It's a different beast. It's still about socializing in the tradition sense isn't it? And then you said you just fall back again to in-person trips. > Your literal words: "do household work whilst working from home". That's not having a different schedule. That is coasting. As in you don't take breaks in the office? You don't talk to people or do activities that equate to non-work? Perhaps you don't but if you really believe that 0 workers do in an office environment we're in another world. In your literal words: "do other activity whilst in the office". That is coasting according to you. Same same.
- RestlessMind 4y ago
  > It's the mentality, attitude and direction. I think this is the core of our disagreement. Mentalities and attitudes are forged over the years and hard to change, both for individuals and companies. If you do not have a compelling alternative, people will revert back to what they know and are comfortable with. If provided with a great experience, people will even change their habits and glue their faces to a black rectangle with a screen as the last 15 years have shown. So - why should we (individuals, companies) change our attitudes and mentalities when it comes to WFH and team bonding? Whatever I have seen so far from the pro-WFH side is a subpar experience.

re-thc 4y ago

> You do it after hours or on weekends or hire help for that. A lot of couples with kids figured that out before the pandemic so not really any rocket science stuff about that. Did they? You mean where 1 side dumped it on the other side? Lots of census data worldwide (and others) have indicated it is the male dumping the work on the female and calling it "figured out". If that's what you meant then sure. As in make someone else suffer. You can't do it after hours. You can't do it when you choose to. Like literally do you just tell a newborn to stop being hungry because it's not the weekend? As to hiring help - can everyone afford it? And does that mean you are hands off? > My company has gone all in on making remote-first work and the leadership is sincerely trying all it can. We tried many tools for online socializing (games, food and drink, some social apps...). They all sucked. Finally the company gave up and started shelling up big bucks to fly everyone in for offsites. And that has its big challenge of crazy expensive flights and hotels, or a lack of dates/locations where everyone can make it. If you got any tools which did the trick for your team, please do share. It doesn't sound like the tools here. It's the mentality, attitude and direction. From your replies you've already indicated that sitting on a desk during certain hours is the priority and not the actual tasks. Even if I did the same amount of work as in the office but did my chores during that time you'd scold me for it... even if in the office I'd go for a walk, gym or coffee or anything else... To you as the manager what's the real difference? All you're doing is lifting in-person to remote 1:1 just like when some businesses move to the cloud. It's a different beast. It's still about socializing in the tradition sense isn't it? And then you said you just fall back again to in-person trips. > Your literal words: "do household work whilst working from home". That's not having a different schedule. That is coasting. As in you don't take breaks in the office? You don't talk to people or do activities that equate to non-work? Perhaps you don't but if you really believe that 0 workers do in an office environment we're in another world. In your literal words: "do other activity whilst in the office". That is coasting according to you. Same same.

RestlessMind 4y ago
> It's the mentality, attitude and direction. I think this is the core of our disagreement. Mentalities and attitudes are forged over the years and hard to change, both for individuals and companies. If you do not have a compelling alternative, people will revert back to what they know and are comfortable with. If provided with a great experience, people will even change their habits and glue their faces to a black rectangle with a screen as the last 15 years have shown. So - why should we (individuals, companies) change our attitudes and mentalities when it comes to WFH and team bonding? Whatever I have seen so far from the pro-WFH side is a subpar experience.