> I have no wish to argue about what discrimination means Yet that is exactly what you are doing, and the definition you argue for is almost entirely useless.

> I have no wish to argue about what discrimination means Yet that is exactly what you are doing, and the definition you argue for is almost entirely useless. Your claim is that any activity that can or does produce even statistic differences in outcomes for different genders is discrimination. This is not true. Discrimination is when you discriminate, and do so based on gender. I am not going to rebut what you wrote in detail, it's just wrong. > perfectly rational explanations for why women tend to avoid certain employment situations Exactly. And they have nothing to do with "discrimination", but with different people having different preferences, and different societal pressures. For men, having a good job, climbing the top of whatever hierarchy is available is essential if they want to partner up, for example, because that is what women require of their partners. So men, statistically, do the dangerous and dirty jobs that women would never put up with. And thus account for >90% of workplace casualties. And die earlier in general. And make more money, statistically. And they put up with stupid things like having to go out drinking for work after working hours, after also working more hours in general, more overtime and more inconvenient shifts. And of course having to go out on drinking contests after work is a, how did I put it, "shitty business practice" that needs to be weeded out. But not because it is discriminatory, which it is not, but because it is a shitty business practice. And no, I am also not going to rebut crazy conspiracy theories about men banding together to come up with ultra clever and devious business practices that are designed to shut out women while appearing to be gender neutral. And yes, I do try my best to fight the Dominant Narrative™ on this topic, because it is not just comically wrong, but also divisive and harmful. It does nothing but breed resentment and since its analysis is so wrong ensures that things cannot get better. But things are improving, the number of people who blindly buy into the narrative seems to be declining. Yay! Good chat.