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Please, don't think Italians are like that. It's just this stupid government. For instance in Italian, unlike Spanish, French, ..., there are no italianized wor
by antirez 4y ago
Please, don't think Italians are like that. It's just this stupid government. For instance in Italian, unlike Spanish, French, ..., there are no italianized words for all the computer science words, we just use English. In general there is not a big sentiment of culture self-defence. But this government is trying to do things that will appeal the dumb people voting for it.
- Veen 4y agoThere's a bit of a contradiction in your comment. You say Italians aren't like that, but Italians voted the "stupid government" into power and the government is doing these things to appeal to those Italians.
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- antirez 4y agoThe fact is that the government reached power mostly because votes not happy with the populists (five starts) and the failure of the left in recent years. Only a small percentage of the voters really care about the other right-shit of the government. However, premier Meloni, to satisfy their allies during the elections, promoted many Lega Padana party crazy people into minister roles... and that's the result.
- hackerlight 4y agoIt's the same story everywhere. Every population has a sizeable minority that's far-right, and these people value culture/nation/race, and do not value individuals/freedom. Sometimes they win an election, and then these kind of policies get passed that try to force the people around them to conform to their aesthetic preferences.
- Veen 4y agoIt's not only the far right that value tradition and culture. And it's not only the right that tries to force the people around them to conform to their ideas of how the world should be.
- swasheck 4y agoit’s not just the far right, but that is a hallmark of the far right. conservatives want to conserve the idealized snapshot of the present or a gilded past.
- anthk 4y agoYou can use ordenattore/computadora in no time.
- pmontra 4y agoThinking about a standard computer, accessories and concepts, there are no common Italian words for computer, mouse, touchpad, touchscreen, scanner, web, link, app, database, word processor, bit, byte and the defunct floppy disk. Everything else is commonly named in Italian. Keyboard, memory, disk (in general, but hard disk is in English), screen, pen drives, power unit, mother board (this is maybe 50-50), folders, icons, programs, processes, windows, buttons, sort, filter, search, rows, columns, cells, sheets.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y agoCalcolatore (my university teacher told me that. Nobody in Italy would use that), mouse, touchpad, schermo touch, scanner, web depends on how you use it: internet or "rete", collegamento, applicazione, base di dati (university course was named like that. Most people call it database professionally), no idea about word processor (I rarely use that in English too), bit, byte, floppy, hard disk is "disco rigido", schermo, chiavetta usb, not sure about power unit, scheda madre, cartelle, icone, programmi, processi, finestre, bottoni, ordinare, filtrare, ricerca, righe, colonne, celle, fogli
- pmontra 4y agoPower unit is alimentatore. All words in my second list are translated in Italian with the words you provided. Yes, database is base di dati but it's seldom used as such. Calcolatore is the calculator app nowadays :-)
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y agoI'm used to call it power supplier, hence wasn't sure about the translation (my English is at fault here). And indeed if you say "calcolatore", I interpret that as the calculator app (or any small math-only calculators used in school)
- pmontra 4y agoWe are both wrong, you less than me. The correct term is power supply. A power unit is the hybrid engine of Formula 1 cars :-)
- nyagaga 4y agoMore of them who were against this presumed sentiment of culture self defence, as you claim that in general there is no such thing (i.e. the majority of Italians don't care about it), should have voted the side they truly wanted, or should have gone and cast their vote instead of abstaining. But you may equally assume that they expressed their opinion in doing what they did well knowing what the outcome would be. As far as preferring the use of local words - or made up words based on the current language - it's something you find in many other countries/languages other than the ones you mention. Or tell you more, some of their languages did not change for centuries thanks to or because of their prolific written tradition. Everything proves that English doesn't have to be present within every language. I agree they could have just made a silent transition without making a bill and imposing fines, but in the end the decision doesn't sound very controversial to me.
- toyg 4y agoThe other side didn't show up, last time, because of disappointment after almost a decade of more-or-less-uninterrupted power.
- Bayart 4y ago> there are no italianized words for all the computer science words, we just use English You're bragging about your language being poorer.
- pasquino 4y agoIn a country where the ignorant bureaucrats call computers "il cervellone" (big brain) this law has, as secondary goal, the task of hiding their stupidity!
- stronglikedan 4y agoThe majority of folks don't really think people from any country are "like" their governments, except when it comes to other countries' perceptions of Americans, for some weird reason. But in reality, there's not very many governments left that represent their citizens, including the US. The citizens of the world have collectively lost control of their governments in the last couple of decades.
- slim 4y agoother countries' perceptions of Americans, for some weird reason it's because of American policies that have consequences on other countries. It feels more personal
- toyg 4y agoNot much lost control as just given up. The post-1989 alignment with the US on any substantial topic (economy, foreign policy...) has basically neutered the European political process.