An apartment is not a normal house, density is not what I'm advocating here. The vast majority of people don't want that. It's a sticking plaster. People want

An apartment is not a normal house, density is not what I'm advocating here. The vast majority of people don't want that. It's a sticking plaster. People want normal lives. Not pokey flats with no car and eating vegetables. That's a 1, maybe 5% bizarro world coastal thing.