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> Minimal fraud You’re going to have to be more specific or offer some evidence, because a cursory search suggests there was massive fraud. To take the least

by orzig 4y ago

> Minimal fraud You’re going to have to be more specific or offer some evidence, because a cursory search suggests there was massive fraud. To take the least sensationalized source: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-takes-action-against-covid-19-fraud https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-takes-acti... They’re estimating more than half a billion dollars and are just getting started.

Spooky23 4y ago
I was. The government efficiently gave cash to almost everyone. That was pretty close to UBI. The biggest issue with direct payments were due to the way separated couples claim dependents. UI, which I specifically mentioned, was a fraud carnival.
- orzig 4y ago
  Got it, I stand corrected (and better informed). Thank you, too few internet conversations are this constructive.
  - Spooky23 4y ago
    No worries! I lived closer to some this stuff and could have been more clear.
flaviut 4y ago
I believe they're referring specifically to the Economic Impact Payments, since those had zero controls from most peoples' perspective. Money just showed up in your bank account.
araes 4y ago
This. From https://www.govexec.com/management/2023/03/coronavirus-roundup-spotlight-improper-payments-covid-relief-programs/384673/ https://www.govexec.com/management/2023/03/coronavirus-round... $247 billion in improper payments in fiscal 2022 "At least" $35 billion in pandemic relief money - $29 billion was in the Pandemic Protection Program - $6.9 billion was in the Economic Injury Disaster Loan program IRS has 975 tax and money laundering cases related to pandemic fraud with a total of $3.2 billion in alleged fraud. 236 already sentenced for avg. 37 months in prison. ~100% conviction rate. From: https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-23-105523.pdf https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-23-105523.pdf "the lower bound of this fraud rate (7.6 percent) extrapolated to total spending across all Unemployment Insurance (UI) programs ... suggest over $60 billion in fraudulent UI payments." - Cases of Proven Fraud: "currently $4.3 billion dollars of fraud based on formal determinations" From: https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-22-104397 https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-22-104397 and https://www.asas.org/taking-stock/blog-post/taking-stock/2022/09/29/report-concludes-fraud-likely-occurred-in-coronavirus-food-assistance-program https://www.asas.org/taking-stock/blog-post/taking-stock/202... - Coronavirus Food Assistance Program (CFAP) provided producers $31.0 billion for various commodities ... half of the producers that GAO reviewed did not provide full support for their payments. The payments are therefore potentially improper. - USDA’s Business Center 2021 payment integrity review for CFAP estimated that CFAP had a significant improper payment rate for the fiscal year 2020 ... estimated that that $450M were improper.

by orzig 4y ago

Spooky23 4y ago

I was. The government efficiently gave cash to almost everyone. That was pretty close to UBI. The biggest issue with direct payments were due to the way separated couples claim dependents. UI, which I specifically mentioned, was a fraud carnival.

orzig 4y ago
Got it, I stand corrected (and better informed). Thank you, too few internet conversations are this constructive.
- Spooky23 4y ago
  No worries! I lived closer to some this stuff and could have been more clear.

flaviut 4y ago

I believe they're referring specifically to the Economic Impact Payments, since those had zero controls from most peoples' perspective. Money just showed up in your bank account.

araes 4y ago

This. From https://www.govexec.com/management/2023/03/coronavirus-roundup-spotlight-improper-payments-covid-relief-programs/384673/ https://www.govexec.com/management/2023/03/coronavirus-round... $247 billion in improper payments in fiscal 2022 "At least" $35 billion in pandemic relief money - $29 billion was in the Pandemic Protection Program - $6.9 billion was in the Economic Injury Disaster Loan program IRS has 975 tax and money laundering cases related to pandemic fraud with a total of $3.2 billion in alleged fraud. 236 already sentenced for avg. 37 months in prison. ~100% conviction rate. From: https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-23-105523.pdf https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-23-105523.pdf "the lower bound of this fraud rate (7.6 percent) extrapolated to total spending across all Unemployment Insurance (UI) programs ... suggest over $60 billion in fraudulent UI payments." - Cases of Proven Fraud: "currently $4.3 billion dollars of fraud based on formal determinations" From: https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-22-104397 https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-22-104397 and https://www.asas.org/taking-stock/blog-post/taking-stock/2022/09/29/report-concludes-fraud-likely-occurred-in-coronavirus-food-assistance-program https://www.asas.org/taking-stock/blog-post/taking-stock/202... - Coronavirus Food Assistance Program (CFAP) provided producers $31.0 billion for various commodities ... half of the producers that GAO reviewed did not provide full support for their payments. The payments are therefore potentially improper. - USDA’s Business Center 2021 payment integrity review for CFAP estimated that CFAP had a significant improper payment rate for the fiscal year 2020 ... estimated that that $450M were improper.