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Elon goes vatnik

by Zigurd 4y ago

Elon goes vatnik

FpUser 4y ago
This vatnik helped a lot with Starlink. Even if he is generic jerk a gratitude is due just for that.
- awb 4y ago
  Dictators can make the trains run on time. Doesn’t mean we owe them gratitude.
  - cubancigar11 4y ago
    That is not comparable to providing starlink. Also, and this might be uncomfortable to know buta lot of people don't want to be bombarded with propaganda war on the internet. Most people browse internet to escape their hard reality. It makes perfect sense to decrease visibility if it is artificially being heightened.
    - SXX 4y ago
      If only it was technically possible to make a button like "Show me less on topic of X". Too bad platform like Twitter had to make some tough decision for it's users since they can't be trusted to decide what to read on their own.
      - cubancigar11 4y ago
        Btw, my karma is taking a hit by taking a normal view. But you are very right. This is totally the fault of social media companies but I am sure they are responding to market forces. It isn't that too far in past when I used to open facebook and see my friends' activities. Then they had advertisers, then they had activists shaming advertisers, then they had automatic filters. My solution to this that I am sure eventually we will agree as a society, is to have a public list of filters and public list of algorithm applying that. It might even be regulated by government in future. But all that is too far in the future.
    - awb 4y ago
      > That is not comparable to providing starlink. What I mean is that it’s OK to look at the totality of a person and not show gratitude for [Good Quality], especially when [Good Quality] enables [Bad Quality]. > Most people browse internet to escape their hard reality. There are plenty of entertainment sites and subreddits to avoid reality if that’s your objective. But I don’t think people go to the “public square” to avoid harsh realities. In fact it’s the place we go when we want to hear any possible opinion. > It makes perfect sense to decrease visibility if it is artificially being heightened. What do you mean “artificially heightened”? War dominates headlines and people’s minds. The US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan dominated politics for decades and it was a key plank in Trump’s 2016 platform. Same with Vietnam. I’d be much more worried if an invasion by a major super power wasn’t at the top of the public discourse.
      - cubancigar11 4y ago
        What I mean to say is, unless we see actual data of engagement and revenue, I am inclined to believe this is in response to analysis done on the said data > artificially being heightened. I am not sure what's the confusion. There is propaganda, I guess to each on its own.
- daliusd 4y ago
  Still there are many complains about Starlink in Ukraine, e.g. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64579267.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64579267.amp
- WinstonSmith84 4y ago
  _Used to_ have helped a lot with starlink* Starlink has been disabled on the frontline for now a few months. https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/spacex-curbed-ukraines-use-starlink-internet-drones-company-president-2023-02-09/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/spacex-cu... Basically, Starlink is now useful just for the residents living in areas where the infrastructure has been destroyed, but it's not helping anymore the Ukrainians to win the war.
  - cpleppert 4y ago
    That isn't actually true. Ukraine's entire battle management system (Delta) runs on Starlink. The issue is specifically where Ukraine used the system to control long range aerial drones which were mostly old Tupolev models and suicide drones. That has been an ongoing issue that Ukraine obviously hasn't wanted to publicize.
    - WinstonSmith84 4y ago
      I'd be glad to be wrong, but that's not what I've been reading. Do you have some links to share which confirms that Starlink is still used on the frontlines?
belter 4y ago
"Elon Musk praised Russian state media propaganda outlets in texts, court documents show" - https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-praised-russian-state-propaganda-media-court-documents-show-2022-9?international=true&r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-praised-russian-st... "Russian propaganda accounts are now openly praising Elon Musk for blocking Ukrainians from Twitter" - https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1603070455484715013?lang=en https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/16030704554847150... “When people show you who they are, believe them the first time. - Maya Angelou
- unmole 4y ago
  > Elon Musk praised Russian state media propaganda outlets in texts, court documents show" From the article: > "Actually, I find their news quite entertaining," Musk continued, according to the filing. In a follow-up text, the world's richest man described Russian media as having a "lot of bullshit, but some good points too." > "Free speech matters most when it's someone you hate spouting what you think is bullshit," Musk commented after Gracias agreed with his stance on free speech. Spinning this as praise is borderline disinformation. But then again, spewing clickbaity BS is completely on brand for BI.
  - belter 4y ago
    "Tweeting Praise for Putin Ally, Musk Wades In on Ukraine Again" - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-21/tweeting-praise-for-putin-ally-musk-wades-in-on-ukraine-again#xj4y7vzkg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-21/tweeting-... "Russia Praises Elon Musk For 'Very Positive' Tweets About Ukraine War" - https://www.ibtimes.com/russia-praises-elon-musk-very-positive-tweets-about-ukraine-war-3620319 https://www.ibtimes.com/russia-praises-elon-musk-very-positi... "White House Freaked Out Over Elon Musk's Selfie With Top Russian Propagandist" - https://futurism.com/white-house-elon-musk-russian-selfie https://futurism.com/white-house-elon-musk-russian-selfie "Elon Musk Fans Horrified as He Suggests Ukraine Give in to Putin's Demands" - https://futurism.com/elon-musk-fans-ukraine https://futurism.com/elon-musk-fans-ukraine
    - 4y ago

Elon goes vatnik

by Zigurd 4y ago

Elon goes vatnik

FpUser 4y ago

This vatnik helped a lot with Starlink. Even if he is generic jerk a gratitude is due just for that.

awb 4y ago
Dictators can make the trains run on time. Doesn’t mean we owe them gratitude.
- cubancigar11 4y ago
  That is not comparable to providing starlink. Also, and this might be uncomfortable to know buta lot of people don't want to be bombarded with propaganda war on the internet. Most people browse internet to escape their hard reality. It makes perfect sense to decrease visibility if it is artificially being heightened.
  - SXX 4y ago
    If only it was technically possible to make a button like "Show me less on topic of X". Too bad platform like Twitter had to make some tough decision for it's users since they can't be trusted to decide what to read on their own.
    - cubancigar11 4y ago
      Btw, my karma is taking a hit by taking a normal view. But you are very right. This is totally the fault of social media companies but I am sure they are responding to market forces. It isn't that too far in past when I used to open facebook and see my friends' activities. Then they had advertisers, then they had activists shaming advertisers, then they had automatic filters. My solution to this that I am sure eventually we will agree as a society, is to have a public list of filters and public list of algorithm applying that. It might even be regulated by government in future. But all that is too far in the future.
  - awb 4y ago
    > That is not comparable to providing starlink. What I mean is that it’s OK to look at the totality of a person and not show gratitude for [Good Quality], especially when [Good Quality] enables [Bad Quality]. > Most people browse internet to escape their hard reality. There are plenty of entertainment sites and subreddits to avoid reality if that’s your objective. But I don’t think people go to the “public square” to avoid harsh realities. In fact it’s the place we go when we want to hear any possible opinion. > It makes perfect sense to decrease visibility if it is artificially being heightened. What do you mean “artificially heightened”? War dominates headlines and people’s minds. The US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan dominated politics for decades and it was a key plank in Trump’s 2016 platform. Same with Vietnam. I’d be much more worried if an invasion by a major super power wasn’t at the top of the public discourse.
    - cubancigar11 4y ago
      What I mean to say is, unless we see actual data of engagement and revenue, I am inclined to believe this is in response to analysis done on the said data > artificially being heightened. I am not sure what's the confusion. There is propaganda, I guess to each on its own.
daliusd 4y ago
Still there are many complains about Starlink in Ukraine, e.g. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64579267.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64579267.amp
WinstonSmith84 4y ago
_Used to_ have helped a lot with starlink* Starlink has been disabled on the frontline for now a few months. https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/spacex-curbed-ukraines-use-starlink-internet-drones-company-president-2023-02-09/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/spacex-cu... Basically, Starlink is now useful just for the residents living in areas where the infrastructure has been destroyed, but it's not helping anymore the Ukrainians to win the war.
- cpleppert 4y ago
  That isn't actually true. Ukraine's entire battle management system (Delta) runs on Starlink. The issue is specifically where Ukraine used the system to control long range aerial drones which were mostly old Tupolev models and suicide drones. That has been an ongoing issue that Ukraine obviously hasn't wanted to publicize.
  - WinstonSmith84 4y ago
    I'd be glad to be wrong, but that's not what I've been reading. Do you have some links to share which confirms that Starlink is still used on the frontlines?

belter 4y ago

"Elon Musk praised Russian state media propaganda outlets in texts, court documents show" - https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-praised-russian-state-propaganda-media-court-documents-show-2022-9?international=true&r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-praised-russian-st... "Russian propaganda accounts are now openly praising Elon Musk for blocking Ukrainians from Twitter" - https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1603070455484715013?lang=en https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/16030704554847150... “When people show you who they are, believe them the first time. - Maya Angelou

unmole 4y ago
> Elon Musk praised Russian state media propaganda outlets in texts, court documents show" From the article: > "Actually, I find their news quite entertaining," Musk continued, according to the filing. In a follow-up text, the world's richest man described Russian media as having a "lot of bullshit, but some good points too." > "Free speech matters most when it's someone you hate spouting what you think is bullshit," Musk commented after Gracias agreed with his stance on free speech. Spinning this as praise is borderline disinformation. But then again, spewing clickbaity BS is completely on brand for BI.
- belter 4y ago
  "Tweeting Praise for Putin Ally, Musk Wades In on Ukraine Again" - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-21/tweeting-praise-for-putin-ally-musk-wades-in-on-ukraine-again#xj4y7vzkg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-21/tweeting-... "Russia Praises Elon Musk For 'Very Positive' Tweets About Ukraine War" - https://www.ibtimes.com/russia-praises-elon-musk-very-positive-tweets-about-ukraine-war-3620319 https://www.ibtimes.com/russia-praises-elon-musk-very-positi... "White House Freaked Out Over Elon Musk's Selfie With Top Russian Propagandist" - https://futurism.com/white-house-elon-musk-russian-selfie https://futurism.com/white-house-elon-musk-russian-selfie "Elon Musk Fans Horrified as He Suggests Ukraine Give in to Putin's Demands" - https://futurism.com/elon-musk-fans-ukraine https://futurism.com/elon-musk-fans-ukraine
  - 4y ago