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The problem is, society is different now. It didn't used to be "putting your life on hold", the social mechanisms that kept the old system functional have been

The problem is, society is different now. It didn't used to be "putting your life on hold", the social mechanisms that kept the old system functional have been eroded. For a lot of people, now, life is effectively rented. Adding care of a parent with debilitating medical issues is crippling.

ThorsBane 4y ago
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- shadowgovt 4y ago
  The major challenge of this approach is that a lot of those traditional models were exploitation in disguise, it just changed who was being exploited. Solving this issue by declaring, for example "Honor Your Mother and Your Father is an edict from god, and if you don't comply you're sinful and should be shunned/cast into hell" just puts a friendly face on the issue without changing the issue (and it's not even a particularly friendly face, since the consequence of bucking the system is eternal divine retribution). I don't fault people for thinking that simply a raw deal and rejecting it.
- wombatpm 4y ago
  Doesn’t work. Large corporations that employ large numbers of workers are happy to have you sacrifice your family on the alter of capitalism. And the ones that try it want unacceptable levels of control over over your life and faith. See Hobby Lobby.
- vinyl7 4y ago
  To be honest, people are just exhausted. The economic collapse over the past decade means people have to swim hard just to stay above water. There is no stability, and I can tell you as a religious person...God isnt going to put bread on the table. When its so difficulty just take care of your self, adding more people to the equation is impossible. The other thing to add is that the boomers took all the economic gains and left. They left the following generations with a bleak outlook from an economy drained of any prospect of prosperity. If you want this sort of society, you need to fix the economy and make people feel safe, secure, and comfortable. When people are no longer drained from being on the edge of poverty, then more responsibility can be taken.
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  What if your way of finding god is exploring a brothel with a mix of uppers and downers? I'd imagine you could find some books by Hunter S. Thompson to guide you on that path and some community of a sort on a similar journey as well.
  - eternalban 4y ago
    A -> [path chosen] -> Union Some like thorns and thistle. Some prefer song and dance. Some peace and harmony. Some dignity and purity. All paths lead to very same destination. The q was pithily asked by Dirty Harry: “Do you feel lucky, punk?” Do you?
- Timon3 4y ago
  This reminds me a lot of trickle-down economics. We can all see a problem - but while some people try to derive a solution using empirics (e.g. through pilot studies), other people point to some metaphysical solution and say "if we all just believe enough, everything will be fine!". I don't see a difference between a libertarian arguing for a free market, which once free enough, will optimally provide for most participants - or your examples of simply requiring "slightly-more-traditional values". Can you show empirically that this is an actual solution? I have read studies which show that wealth concentration leads to massive social problems, partially like the ones we are now experiencing. Why should I follow your solution instead of the ones suggested by the studies?
- velcrovan 4y ago
  Let me guess, you think divorce is immoral too.

ThorsBane 4y ago

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shadowgovt 4y ago
The major challenge of this approach is that a lot of those traditional models were exploitation in disguise, it just changed who was being exploited. Solving this issue by declaring, for example "Honor Your Mother and Your Father is an edict from god, and if you don't comply you're sinful and should be shunned/cast into hell" just puts a friendly face on the issue without changing the issue (and it's not even a particularly friendly face, since the consequence of bucking the system is eternal divine retribution). I don't fault people for thinking that simply a raw deal and rejecting it.
wombatpm 4y ago
Doesn’t work. Large corporations that employ large numbers of workers are happy to have you sacrifice your family on the alter of capitalism. And the ones that try it want unacceptable levels of control over over your life and faith. See Hobby Lobby.
vinyl7 4y ago
To be honest, people are just exhausted. The economic collapse over the past decade means people have to swim hard just to stay above water. There is no stability, and I can tell you as a religious person...God isnt going to put bread on the table. When its so difficulty just take care of your self, adding more people to the equation is impossible. The other thing to add is that the boomers took all the economic gains and left. They left the following generations with a bleak outlook from an economy drained of any prospect of prosperity. If you want this sort of society, you need to fix the economy and make people feel safe, secure, and comfortable. When people are no longer drained from being on the edge of poverty, then more responsibility can be taken.
hotpotamus 4y ago
What if your way of finding god is exploring a brothel with a mix of uppers and downers? I'd imagine you could find some books by Hunter S. Thompson to guide you on that path and some community of a sort on a similar journey as well.
- eternalban 4y ago
  A -> [path chosen] -> Union Some like thorns and thistle. Some prefer song and dance. Some peace and harmony. Some dignity and purity. All paths lead to very same destination. The q was pithily asked by Dirty Harry: “Do you feel lucky, punk?” Do you?
Timon3 4y ago
This reminds me a lot of trickle-down economics. We can all see a problem - but while some people try to derive a solution using empirics (e.g. through pilot studies), other people point to some metaphysical solution and say "if we all just believe enough, everything will be fine!". I don't see a difference between a libertarian arguing for a free market, which once free enough, will optimally provide for most participants - or your examples of simply requiring "slightly-more-traditional values". Can you show empirically that this is an actual solution? I have read studies which show that wealth concentration leads to massive social problems, partially like the ones we are now experiencing. Why should I follow your solution instead of the ones suggested by the studies?
velcrovan 4y ago
Let me guess, you think divorce is immoral too.