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Well, it was the American army that took over Texas, wasn't it? A lot depends on what the local population wants, I think. The Vietnamese population didn't wa

Well, it was the American army that took over Texas, wasn't it? A lot depends on what the local population wants, I think. The Vietnamese population didn't want to be ruled by a puppet government controlled by France the USA, hence the active armed resistance to the French and US miltary occupation (1950s-1970s). The Afghan population didn't want to be ruled by the Soviet Union, or by the United States, hence the active resistance to Russian control in the 1980s and to American control in the first two decades of this century. Now, you could say the Americans in Vietnam tried to rape and beat the population into submission to imperial rule, and that the Soviets tried to do that in Afghanistan, and that's called wartime propaganda. The actual goals of both of those occupations were fundamentally economic in nature, but that's a taboo subject (starting a war for economic gain being a Class A War Crime in terms of international legal precedents). It does seem pretty clear however that the Russian-speaking eastern Ukrainian/Crimean population doesn't want to be ruled by Kyiv, doesn't it? So just draw a new border and end the conflict.

caskstrength 4y ago
> It does seem pretty clear however that the Russian-speaking eastern Ukrainian/Crimean population doesn't want to be ruled by Kyiv, doesn't it? So just draw a new border and end the conflict. Umm, my dude, are you sure you are not familiar with typical Russian propaganda talking points as you declared in your previous reply? You seem to regurgitate them all too well to be honest with you! So, first of all, as a person with half of my family coming from one the towns in eastern Ukraine that has been occupied occupied since 2014: No, it is absolutely not clear that the population of those regions that were there in 2014 "don't want to be ruled by Kyiv". By now, yes, people who didn't like the occupation are either left or dead. You are also seem to be wrong regarding Crimea [0]. Now, with that out of the way we need to discuss some other inconvenient facts regarding where Russians want to "draw a new border". The Russians also tried to occupy parts of northern Ukraine where, as I can assure you, they were _extremely_ not welcome. I don't have close friends or relatives from south, but I also got the impression that people on [1] or [2] or [3] are not too unfriendly towards Kyiv. Go figure ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [0] https://www.iri.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/201320October20720Survey20of20Crimean20Public20Opinion2C20May2016-302C202013.pdf https://www.iri.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/201320October... (slide 17 to be specific). [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60632587 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60632587 [2]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/11/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-kyivs-forces-close-in-on-kherson-reclaim-dozens-of-towns-in-south https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/11/russia-uk... [3]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/14/ze-len-skiy-kherson-crowds-cheer-president-after-he-gives-speech-in-city https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/14/ze-len-skiy-kh...

caskstrength 4y ago

> It does seem pretty clear however that the Russian-speaking eastern Ukrainian/Crimean population doesn't want to be ruled by Kyiv, doesn't it? So just draw a new border and end the conflict. Umm, my dude, are you sure you are not familiar with typical Russian propaganda talking points as you declared in your previous reply? You seem to regurgitate them all too well to be honest with you! So, first of all, as a person with half of my family coming from one the towns in eastern Ukraine that has been occupied occupied since 2014: No, it is absolutely not clear that the population of those regions that were there in 2014 "don't want to be ruled by Kyiv". By now, yes, people who didn't like the occupation are either left or dead. You are also seem to be wrong regarding Crimea [0]. Now, with that out of the way we need to discuss some other inconvenient facts regarding where Russians want to "draw a new border". The Russians also tried to occupy parts of northern Ukraine where, as I can assure you, they were _extremely_ not welcome. I don't have close friends or relatives from south, but I also got the impression that people on [1] or [2] or [3] are not too unfriendly towards Kyiv. Go figure ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [0] https://www.iri.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/201320October20720Survey20of20Crimean20Public20Opinion2C20May2016-302C202013.pdf https://www.iri.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/201320October... (slide 17 to be specific). [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60632587 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60632587 [2]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/11/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-kyivs-forces-close-in-on-kherson-reclaim-dozens-of-towns-in-south https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/11/russia-uk... [3]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/14/ze-len-skiy-kherson-crowds-cheer-president-after-he-gives-speech-in-city https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/14/ze-len-skiy-kh...