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> Having to balance domestic recruitment PR to be politically correct while also wanting to reach tough young men and entice them is an impossible task. Can yo

> Having to balance domestic recruitment PR to be politically correct while also wanting to reach tough young men and entice them is an impossible task. Can you explain what you mean by this? I feel like you're referring to something obliquely but I don't have the context.

93po 4y ago
i assume he's saying people who join the military are racist misogynists and because the military can't appeal to this anymore, people don't want to join anymore
- friend_and_foe 4y ago
  You seem upset, as if what you said is blatantly false. I wouldn't say racist (?? Black and white men fighting together are racist?) mysoginists, but tough men that aren't posterboys for your designated driver would probably be a good description. If you want a competent fighting force, you have to appeal to tough young men. You don't do that by putting a dude in a dress on your promo material, to put it crassly. Men don't want to go into an environment supposedly to "get shit done" only to have to file paperwork and tippytoe on eggshells with everything they do or say. You don't have to like it but these are the facts. The military gets weaker when you alienate the most able bodied in your society, it's pretty straightforward.
  - zaccusl 4y ago
    Have you ever served? In combat? I have, USMC infantry. I want a professional fighting force with smart of professional fighters and support. Yes, you need mental toughness. But if you are so mentally weak that you can't handle a course on sexual harassment then you are not mentally tough. You need a "non-woke" safe-space. What you describe is what Russia wants and needs. Look how well that is working out for them. The military gets stronger by having a disciplined, smart fighting force. Not some frat-house where being "manly" is the only requirement.
    - 93po 4y ago
      I love this response
friend_and_foe 4y ago
Military service people are killers first and foremost. They're put through grueling test and training processes. It doesn't matter what kind of world you wish this was, those people are primarily going to be aggressive men. When you target other groups of people with your advertising, when you make such an environment that those type of men aren't welcome in the military, the military suffers, it's that simple.

93po 4y ago

i assume he's saying people who join the military are racist misogynists and because the military can't appeal to this anymore, people don't want to join anymore

friend_and_foe 4y ago
You seem upset, as if what you said is blatantly false. I wouldn't say racist (?? Black and white men fighting together are racist?) mysoginists, but tough men that aren't posterboys for your designated driver would probably be a good description. If you want a competent fighting force, you have to appeal to tough young men. You don't do that by putting a dude in a dress on your promo material, to put it crassly. Men don't want to go into an environment supposedly to "get shit done" only to have to file paperwork and tippytoe on eggshells with everything they do or say. You don't have to like it but these are the facts. The military gets weaker when you alienate the most able bodied in your society, it's pretty straightforward.
- zaccusl 4y ago
  Have you ever served? In combat? I have, USMC infantry. I want a professional fighting force with smart of professional fighters and support. Yes, you need mental toughness. But if you are so mentally weak that you can't handle a course on sexual harassment then you are not mentally tough. You need a "non-woke" safe-space. What you describe is what Russia wants and needs. Look how well that is working out for them. The military gets stronger by having a disciplined, smart fighting force. Not some frat-house where being "manly" is the only requirement.
  - 93po 4y ago
    I love this response

friend_and_foe 4y ago

Military service people are killers first and foremost. They're put through grueling test and training processes. It doesn't matter what kind of world you wish this was, those people are primarily going to be aggressive men. When you target other groups of people with your advertising, when you make such an environment that those type of men aren't welcome in the military, the military suffers, it's that simple.