Yes - I agree I was just trying to find my way towards "the human economy is a whole, even within countries seeing government as a cost to be minimised, taxes

Yes - I agree I was just trying to find my way towards "the human economy is a whole, even within countries seeing government as a cost to be minimised, taxes to be avoided and private investment as somehow privileged" is a poor analysis. I mean such a huge amount of private spending is trying to alter "predominant cultural norms" - advertising etc. yet breakout successful companies tend to break at just the right time that their PMFit barely needs advertising. Less dinosaurs trying to look cool and more evolved companies would help - and it would help in that we have constant turn over of companies would mean we were measuring actual productivity better - very useful in MMT terms. Somehow I am feeling towards our tournament style approach of allocating the power to allocate resources is false. We have young democracies, but work in dictatorships - and invest in similar ways. I think basically we need to find better ways of "doing democracy". imagine voting on internal projects? it will hurt but if we think democracy works then open discussion and decision making actually will result in stronger companies - or just a return of capital !