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You left out the reason why Germany was so dependent on Russian gas for energy: their out of touch with reality, (the conspiratorial amongst us might say fossil

You left out the reason why Germany was so dependent on Russian gas for energy: their out of touch with reality, (the conspiratorial amongst us might say fossil fuel company funded) plans to completely rely on fossil fuels until a transition to renewables can be completed in multiple decades. All of this while they already have a viable green solution: Nuclear, which they planned on completely shutting down by 2022.

pastacacioepepe 4y ago
Oh please. Cheap Energy is what made Germany the industrial powerhouse of Europe. Getting gas from Russia was one of the best things Merkel did for her country and its citizens.
- looping__lui 4y ago
  What???? 1) It was Schröder (not Merkelh that started this entire gas thing with Russia (getting paid by Gazprom still) 2) Merkel decided in a completely irrational overnight move to just phase out nuclear. There was no strategy, just a personal preference by her ideological conviction Energy in Germany has been significantly more expensive than in the rest of Europe for probably a solid decade now… The big challenge from what I see is somehow managing to “balance the ingestion of renewable energy which is very unpredictable and random” and the “actual need” which is rather constantly high and predictable.
  - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
    > It was Schröder Northstream 2 was planned under Merkel. > Merkel decided in a completely irrational overnight move to just phase out nuclear. No, it was an almost unanimous vote where even the opposition agreed with the government[0]. Nothing irrational about it, they decided to go for renewable instead of nuclear. - 0: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jun/30/germany-end-nuclear-power-2022 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jun/30/germany-end-nu...
    - looping__lui 4y ago
      Oh, Merkel certainly made it worse, but Schröder had a leading role… https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/23/world/europe/schroder-germany-russia-gas-ukraine-war-energy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/23/world/europe/schroder-ger... The opposition agreeing - you mean like the Green party who wanted to end nuclear like forever? Merkel had essentially absolute power in Germany and was leading some major changes that are hard to believe now… 1) shut down nuclear, 2) abolish compulsory military service, 3) open the borders for an uncontrolled influx of male refugees, 4) completely ignore Corona at first and then bulldoze over our Basic Law.
      - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
        > The opposition agreeing - you mean like the Green party who wanted to end nuclear like forever? No, I mean pretty much everyone: 513 yes to 79 no. > abolish compulsory military service hard to believe? I guess we agree to disagree.
        looping__lui 4y ago
        You need a viable military in an advanced and wealthy society. If you disagree you are imho naive. A military coup is one of the largest risks to any society. The “best” people to serve the military are the young people that stand to lose their country and have a million things that they get excited about - except going to war and fighting. A society itself needs to protect itself.
        pastacacioepepe 4y ago
        Coups always happen through a complicit or indifferent army. Having no army (except some small elite corps) seems the best way to prevent coups to me. Also you don't need weapons and war to resist. It's much more effective to perform civil disobedience on a mass scale. Paralize the country and refuse to obey. Gandhi docet. It's also what Ukraine should do instead of sacrificing entire generations of their men and women to protect some hundred square miles of land, destroying any value those lands might have in the process.

pastacacioepepe 4y ago

Oh please. Cheap Energy is what made Germany the industrial powerhouse of Europe. Getting gas from Russia was one of the best things Merkel did for her country and its citizens.

looping__lui 4y ago
What???? 1) It was Schröder (not Merkelh that started this entire gas thing with Russia (getting paid by Gazprom still) 2) Merkel decided in a completely irrational overnight move to just phase out nuclear. There was no strategy, just a personal preference by her ideological conviction Energy in Germany has been significantly more expensive than in the rest of Europe for probably a solid decade now… The big challenge from what I see is somehow managing to “balance the ingestion of renewable energy which is very unpredictable and random” and the “actual need” which is rather constantly high and predictable.
- pastacacioepepe 4y ago
  > It was Schröder Northstream 2 was planned under Merkel. > Merkel decided in a completely irrational overnight move to just phase out nuclear. No, it was an almost unanimous vote where even the opposition agreed with the government[0]. Nothing irrational about it, they decided to go for renewable instead of nuclear. - 0: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jun/30/germany-end-nuclear-power-2022 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jun/30/germany-end-nu...
  - looping__lui 4y ago
    Oh, Merkel certainly made it worse, but Schröder had a leading role… https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/23/world/europe/schroder-germany-russia-gas-ukraine-war-energy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/23/world/europe/schroder-ger... The opposition agreeing - you mean like the Green party who wanted to end nuclear like forever? Merkel had essentially absolute power in Germany and was leading some major changes that are hard to believe now… 1) shut down nuclear, 2) abolish compulsory military service, 3) open the borders for an uncontrolled influx of male refugees, 4) completely ignore Corona at first and then bulldoze over our Basic Law.
    - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
      > The opposition agreeing - you mean like the Green party who wanted to end nuclear like forever? No, I mean pretty much everyone: 513 yes to 79 no. > abolish compulsory military service hard to believe? I guess we agree to disagree.
      - looping__lui 4y ago
        You need a viable military in an advanced and wealthy society. If you disagree you are imho naive. A military coup is one of the largest risks to any society. The “best” people to serve the military are the young people that stand to lose their country and have a million things that they get excited about - except going to war and fighting. A society itself needs to protect itself.
        pastacacioepepe 4y ago
        Coups always happen through a complicit or indifferent army. Having no army (except some small elite corps) seems the best way to prevent coups to me. Also you don't need weapons and war to resist. It's much more effective to perform civil disobedience on a mass scale. Paralize the country and refuse to obey. Gandhi docet. It's also what Ukraine should do instead of sacrificing entire generations of their men and women to protect some hundred square miles of land, destroying any value those lands might have in the process.