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Could you link an example of this kind of cartoon? edit: here's a link https://archive.is/g0msl https://archive.is/g0msl Shocking that the NYT published someth

Could you link an example of this kind of cartoon? edit: here's a link https://archive.is/g0msl https://archive.is/g0msl Shocking that the NYT published something like this

sumedh 4y ago
What is shocking/offensive about that?
- unmole 4y ago
  In response to a successful mission to Mars, the cartoonist decided to reach for a lazy stereotype of a farmer dragging his cow along.
  - ergonaught 4y ago
    The entire cartoon uses exaggerated stereotypes to make a point. If you think the depiction of the snobbish elite is okay, you're just falling into the "it's only racism if I don't like it" nonsense.
    - unmole 4y ago
      I don't think the cartoon is racist or offensive. I was trying to explain why some people found it distasteful. And stereotyping someone as elite is surely not the same thing as stereotyping someone as poor?
      - delta_p_delta_x 4y ago
        To add some nuance, I think the cartoon goes both ways, but unintentionally managed to offend Indian sensibilities by portraying them that way. I think one way to look at it is... The underdog Indians managing to rub shoulders with the likes of NASA and ESA at a fraction of the latter's budget, which isn't wrong. ISRO's missions are typically about two orders of magnitude cheaper than NASA's, while still being very productive. Somehow threads about India just devolve into ridiculous mudslinging like no other. White people clinging to tired old stereotypes. Indians are half to blame too, being over-sensitive and oddly conservative.
        unmole 4y ago
        > Somehow threads about India just devolve into ridiculous mudslinging like no other. White people clinging to tired old stereotypes. Indians are half to blame too, being over-sensitive and oddly conservative. There is an additional factor. Anglophone internet tends to be dominated by Americans. So, discussions about say Denmark don't get too heated because there aren't too many Danes participating.
        ngc248 4y ago
        >>> I think one way to look at it is... The underdog Indians managing to rub shoulders with the likes of NASA and ESA at a fraction of the latter's budget, How are you getting this through the cartoon? All the cartoon shows is a poor asking for permission to get into an elite club
    - philonoist 4y ago
      [flagged]
      - sumedh 4y ago
        > Where else is it coming from, if not from the place of disdain onto this other nation? Maybe instead of accusing someone of racism, try to appreciate the history behind the joke. Cows were used for initial testing of satellite, so the NYT guys have done their homework. https://www.livemint.com/news/india/the-rocket-science-behind-the-bullock-cart-in-india-s-space-story-1563854708300.html https://www.livemint.com/news/india/the-rocket-science-behin...
        philonoist 4y ago
        Oh my god, I know this article!! Please stop this spreading this non-sensical misinformation. The cartoon shows two formal dressed westerners in elite space club room startled by one uneducated man knocking with a dhoti and starving sleepy cow he catches by a rope just like village people used to do strolling on the streets of the past. Is this the research you do to depict our Indian scientists and leaders or is it the idea that elitist differentiation of class, wealth and societal backwardness was to be shown here? Besides, nowhere on the article it mentions that they have done their homework based on this story. Cows were not used. Open Bullock carts were used. Do you think putting a bullock cart in a cartoon would have been more difficult task to achieve than putting a Chandrayan on Moon? But no, you just have to stick to stereotype and squeeze out a rational meaning from it. Give me a good citation and accuse me of throwing the racism card around.
        PrimeMcFly 4y ago
        > Maybe instead of accusing someone of racism @philonoist did that right out the gate in this article with no evidence or support. It's their goto thing.
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  - sumedh 4y ago
    You are mistaken it's not a lazy stereotype, the cartoonist has done his/her research. India has literally used cows for testing its initial satellites. https://www.livemint.com/news/india/the-rocket-science-behind-the-bullock-cart-in-india-s-space-story-1563854708300.html https://www.livemint.com/news/india/the-rocket-science-behin...
    - shreyshnaccount 4y ago
      they are not mutually exclusive
  - rhaway84773 4y ago
    It’s a lazy and bad cartoon using lazy and tired stereotypes. It’s not racist or any of the rest of the stuff. Not all cartoons will be good.
- pellucide 4y ago
  If you have to ask...
  - sumedh 4y ago
    ... then you did not understand the humour.
- shreyshnaccount 4y ago
  the bias. if nasa managed such a mission, it would be glorious and efficient and smart and clever. when India does it, it's somehow "budget".
  - sumedh 4y ago
    I think you missed the humor.

Could you link an example of this kind of cartoon? edit: here's a link https://archive.is/g0msl https://archive.is/g0msl Shocking that the NYT published something like this

sumedh 4y ago

What is shocking/offensive about that?

unmole 4y ago
In response to a successful mission to Mars, the cartoonist decided to reach for a lazy stereotype of a farmer dragging his cow along.
- ergonaught 4y ago
  The entire cartoon uses exaggerated stereotypes to make a point. If you think the depiction of the snobbish elite is okay, you're just falling into the "it's only racism if I don't like it" nonsense.
  - unmole 4y ago
    I don't think the cartoon is racist or offensive. I was trying to explain why some people found it distasteful. And stereotyping someone as elite is surely not the same thing as stereotyping someone as poor?
    - delta_p_delta_x 4y ago
      To add some nuance, I think the cartoon goes both ways, but unintentionally managed to offend Indian sensibilities by portraying them that way. I think one way to look at it is... The underdog Indians managing to rub shoulders with the likes of NASA and ESA at a fraction of the latter's budget, which isn't wrong. ISRO's missions are typically about two orders of magnitude cheaper than NASA's, while still being very productive. Somehow threads about India just devolve into ridiculous mudslinging like no other. White people clinging to tired old stereotypes. Indians are half to blame too, being over-sensitive and oddly conservative.
      - unmole 4y ago
        > Somehow threads about India just devolve into ridiculous mudslinging like no other. White people clinging to tired old stereotypes. Indians are half to blame too, being over-sensitive and oddly conservative. There is an additional factor. Anglophone internet tends to be dominated by Americans. So, discussions about say Denmark don't get too heated because there aren't too many Danes participating.
      - ngc248 4y ago
        >>> I think one way to look at it is... The underdog Indians managing to rub shoulders with the likes of NASA and ESA at a fraction of the latter's budget, How are you getting this through the cartoon? All the cartoon shows is a poor asking for permission to get into an elite club
  - philonoist 4y ago
    [flagged]
    - sumedh 4y ago
      > Where else is it coming from, if not from the place of disdain onto this other nation? Maybe instead of accusing someone of racism, try to appreciate the history behind the joke. Cows were used for initial testing of satellite, so the NYT guys have done their homework. https://www.livemint.com/news/india/the-rocket-science-behind-the-bullock-cart-in-india-s-space-story-1563854708300.html https://www.livemint.com/news/india/the-rocket-science-behin...
      - philonoist 4y ago
        Oh my god, I know this article!! Please stop this spreading this non-sensical misinformation. The cartoon shows two formal dressed westerners in elite space club room startled by one uneducated man knocking with a dhoti and starving sleepy cow he catches by a rope just like village people used to do strolling on the streets of the past. Is this the research you do to depict our Indian scientists and leaders or is it the idea that elitist differentiation of class, wealth and societal backwardness was to be shown here? Besides, nowhere on the article it mentions that they have done their homework based on this story. Cows were not used. Open Bullock carts were used. Do you think putting a bullock cart in a cartoon would have been more difficult task to achieve than putting a Chandrayan on Moon? But no, you just have to stick to stereotype and squeeze out a rational meaning from it. Give me a good citation and accuse me of throwing the racism card around.
      - PrimeMcFly 4y ago
        > Maybe instead of accusing someone of racism @philonoist did that right out the gate in this article with no evidence or support. It's their goto thing.
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- sumedh 4y ago
  You are mistaken it's not a lazy stereotype, the cartoonist has done his/her research. India has literally used cows for testing its initial satellites. https://www.livemint.com/news/india/the-rocket-science-behind-the-bullock-cart-in-india-s-space-story-1563854708300.html https://www.livemint.com/news/india/the-rocket-science-behin...
  - shreyshnaccount 4y ago
    they are not mutually exclusive
- rhaway84773 4y ago
  It’s a lazy and bad cartoon using lazy and tired stereotypes. It’s not racist or any of the rest of the stuff. Not all cartoons will be good.
pellucide 4y ago
If you have to ask...
- sumedh 4y ago
  ... then you did not understand the humour.
shreyshnaccount 4y ago
the bias. if nasa managed such a mission, it would be glorious and efficient and smart and clever. when India does it, it's somehow "budget".
- sumedh 4y ago
  I think you missed the humor.