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The thing I don't get about it is that not all UK public services are like this. I know as a fact that senior programmers with the NHS make 70-80k. A project le

The thing I don't get about it is that not all UK public services are like this. I know as a fact that senior programmers with the NHS make 70-80k. A project lead can get close to 100k. No idea what the Treasury is thinking here.

philjohn 4y ago
It would be interesting to see what the pension is like for this position - you're giving up lifetime earnings for retirement earnings (and "serving your country").
- timthorn 4y ago
  And an OBE, as well.
- jsmith99 4y ago
  UK civil service is a defined benefit scheme that each year from state pension age pays 1/42 of your average salary multiplied by the number of years you worked there. It's inflation linked. You also need to contribute several percent of your salary (various bands). The Government Actuarial Department modelling implies a cost to the employer of around 30% of basic salary.
midasuni 4y ago
Can’t find anyone to do it in house, so let’s sign the £5m a year contract with my bartender to do it. It’s like h1B in the US, but grift.
LikesPwsh 4y ago
I'm not sure where you got those figures, but the NHS pay scales are public. https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/pay-scales-202223 https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/pay-scales-202223 Non-manager caps at ~£48k for most technical roles.
- cs02rm0 4y ago
  I'd imagine it's contractor rates.
- CommanderData 4y ago
  I was just thinking this. Know many NHS tech people in my circle. None earn 70k+. Contractors potentially but they'd generally be on 100k+ if the rates are at all competitive. Though contracting has dwindled in recent times because of the IR35 legislation and org budgets. I'm very much on the lookout for IT contracting gigs and don't come across many at all for the NHS.
notahacker 4y ago
This one was discussed recently, and it was pointed out that from the bullet points of the listing it appears to be an inflated title for a mostly administrative role liaising with the govt's actual cybersecurity professionals and training a couple of apprentices. Plus of course, they may already have an internal candidate and simply advertise it for policy requirements, with a view to only considering applicants if they're much more qualified https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35384652 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35384652
- shubb 4y ago
  Civil service requires line reports for certain pay bands so they may well have hired the apprentices to justify this fat salary for the individual contributor. The job will likely be filled by a candidate from elsewhere in the CS e.g. ex police on thierv way to a date cheque in the private sector. I imagine this would make a very good stepping stone to a senior cyber job in financial services.
jp58 4y ago
I remember seeing a job listing for head of cybersecurity at the NHS maybe 4 years or so ago. It was for about 60K I think. Maybe the programmers pay is different but seems the NHS was offering similar salary to this listing. I remember finding it funny because it was not too long after the NHS was attacked with the wannacry virus.
TruthWillHurt 4y ago
Contractor leads can earn ~£700 per day. And who knows how much Capgemini / Fujitsu / KPMG are charging the project..

philjohn 4y ago

It would be interesting to see what the pension is like for this position - you're giving up lifetime earnings for retirement earnings (and "serving your country").

timthorn 4y ago
And an OBE, as well.
jsmith99 4y ago
UK civil service is a defined benefit scheme that each year from state pension age pays 1/42 of your average salary multiplied by the number of years you worked there. It's inflation linked. You also need to contribute several percent of your salary (various bands). The Government Actuarial Department modelling implies a cost to the employer of around 30% of basic salary.

midasuni 4y ago

Can’t find anyone to do it in house, so let’s sign the £5m a year contract with my bartender to do it. It’s like h1B in the US, but grift.

LikesPwsh 4y ago

I'm not sure where you got those figures, but the NHS pay scales are public. https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/pay-scales-202223 https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/pay-scales-202223 Non-manager caps at ~£48k for most technical roles.

cs02rm0 4y ago
I'd imagine it's contractor rates.
CommanderData 4y ago
I was just thinking this. Know many NHS tech people in my circle. None earn 70k+. Contractors potentially but they'd generally be on 100k+ if the rates are at all competitive. Though contracting has dwindled in recent times because of the IR35 legislation and org budgets. I'm very much on the lookout for IT contracting gigs and don't come across many at all for the NHS.

notahacker 4y ago

This one was discussed recently, and it was pointed out that from the bullet points of the listing it appears to be an inflated title for a mostly administrative role liaising with the govt's actual cybersecurity professionals and training a couple of apprentices. Plus of course, they may already have an internal candidate and simply advertise it for policy requirements, with a view to only considering applicants if they're much more qualified https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35384652 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35384652

shubb 4y ago
Civil service requires line reports for certain pay bands so they may well have hired the apprentices to justify this fat salary for the individual contributor. The job will likely be filled by a candidate from elsewhere in the CS e.g. ex police on thierv way to a date cheque in the private sector. I imagine this would make a very good stepping stone to a senior cyber job in financial services.

jp58 4y ago

I remember seeing a job listing for head of cybersecurity at the NHS maybe 4 years or so ago. It was for about 60K I think. Maybe the programmers pay is different but seems the NHS was offering similar salary to this listing. I remember finding it funny because it was not too long after the NHS was attacked with the wannacry virus.

TruthWillHurt 4y ago

Contractor leads can earn ~£700 per day. And who knows how much Capgemini / Fujitsu / KPMG are charging the project..