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Wouldn’t most other places in Europe be much more suitable though just because of lower population density (and energy prices in some cases)?

• spiderfarmer 4y ago
  I meant that agriculture in our fertile delta is way more efficient than trying to do the same in other countries with less suitable areas.
  • mtts 4y ago
    The agricultural lobby puts this out a lot, but it’s not true. The pig farmers and the dairy farmers that are causing the most problems require vast imports of fodder grown elsewhere. The efficiency of a lot of greenhouse agriculture is questionable as well (which was made obvious when a not insignificant chunk of its production was wound down when supplies of cheap Russian gas dried up.
    • spiderfarmer 4y ago
      So energy prices increasing by 300%, eating away profits, on top of record inflation is proof that the whole business is inefficient? Lol, no. Even if a financial shockwave told you anything about the efficiency of green houses (it does not) you can’t base your argument on a war induced fluke.
      • mtts 4y ago
        If a business can only exist if energy prices are unrealistically low, then, yes, it is inefficient.
        • spiderfarmer 4y ago
          So the only time energy is priced realistically is during wartime. Noted.
        • shjake 4y ago
          Were they unrealistically low though? Wind/solar/hydro are supposed to be much cheaper than fossil fuels longterm.. And gas prices are more or less back to where they were before the invasion.
  • Thiez 4y ago
    So we're sacrificing the Dutch nature out of altruistic motives? And the rest of the Dutch people don't get a say about the biodiversity in their country, the farmers should make this noble sacrifice on their behalf, for the good of the world? Or is it perhaps just a transparent excuse to keep polluting until only grass, stinging nettles, and blackberries remain?
    • spiderfarmer 4y ago
      You’re not sacrificing Dutch nature. Your argument is based on what you hear from doomsayers who make a lot of noise based on incomplete research. The grass, stinging nettles and blackberries you saw on TV only went a couple of meters deep at the edge of forests. It’s not like it takes over entire forests. They are now researching how nitrogen from farms actually deposits, because everything we know until now has been modelled as a dome, while it’s much more likely it’s a low hanging mist.