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I wouldn’t say it’s heartbreaking. When you are at school that’s your main venue for meeting people, and when you are at work that’s the same. Almost all of m

I wouldn’t say it’s heartbreaking. When you are at school that’s your main venue for meeting people, and when you are at work that’s the same. Almost all of my friends and acquaintances were met through work and I’m not really sad or embarrassed about that. I also have a family who I love, but I don’t feel I need to be with them 24/7, or that I’m prioritising anything over them by wanting a career and to work physically with coworkers. It isn’t reasonable for the WFH advocates to see us people who prefer the office as sad loners with messed up priorities. I personally find Zoom life 100x more depressing.

re-thc 4y ago
> I also have a family who I love, but I don’t feel I need to be with them 24/7, or that I’m prioritising anything over them by wanting a career and to work physically with coworkers. And who looks after the kids or elderly parents when you're physically in the office? Or the house duties? Or do we pretend they don't exist? The only way you can pretend you don't need to be with a child 24/7 is if you neglect your duties. You are prioritising work over family. There's no other way. > It isn’t reasonable for the WFH advocates to see us people who prefer the office as sad loners with messed up priorities. That's not what you prefer though. You prefer forcing everyone to accompany you in the office like a sadist. You've heard that some people prefer remote yet you force your ideals on them. You don't prefer the office. You prefer you AND others in the office. Different.
- RestlessMind 4y ago
  > And who looks after the kids or elderly parents when you're physically in the office? You know, when you are WFH, you are supposed to work. Looking after kids is not working for your employer, unless you are coasting at your job. In which case, such jobs should be consolidated. I think that's what happened at Yahoo back in the day.
  - re-thc 4y ago
    And when you're in the office you are supposed to work. So why are people complaining about missing out on "small talk" or anything else non-work? Same same.
    - RestlessMind 4y ago
      Small talk helps forge bonds between team members. As an exec, I actuall encourage people mingling over lunches, coffees or walks because that creates better teams in my experience.
      - re-thc 4y ago
        Yes - your experience - that's the problem i.e. the past. Might as well you say we don't need the Internet because in your experience floppy disks are fine. Why don't you do an actual comparison or study? As in did you have a team with the exact conditions minus small talk and 1 with small talk and then concluded the small talk 1 created better teams? No. So how do you know which 1 it was? I hope execs lead people forward with correct decisions using sound logic and not some vague correlation. Are we going for the 5G causes COVID drama too? In my experience the rumor might hold some value...
        RestlessMind 4y ago
        > Why don't you do an actual comparison or study? What makes you think I haven't done so? I have surveyed enough people at work and socially. A majority prefers hybrid, a small number favors fully remote while a small numbers wants fully in-office. Top reasons people wanted to come in office: meeting everyone in person, getting complex work (eg. designing a system) done, getting mentorship and onboarding help, free food. Top reasons people wanted to WFH: traffic. There are a handful of cases on extreme ends with patterns like: hating social interaction, not having right conditions at home to work from etc.
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  - dang 4y ago
    You also broke the site guidelines badly and repeatedly in this thread. I realize you were provoked, but that doesn't make it ok—on the contrary that's when the rules matter most. "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 4y ago
  Your comments in this thread were abusive and broke the site guidelines extremely badly. We ban accounts that do that. Personal attacks are particularly not ok. I'm not going to ban you right now, even though it looks like you've been breaking the site guidelines in other places too, because I didn't see anything this bad in your other comments and because we hadn't warned you before. But please don't do post like this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

re-thc 4y ago

> I also have a family who I love, but I don’t feel I need to be with them 24/7, or that I’m prioritising anything over them by wanting a career and to work physically with coworkers. And who looks after the kids or elderly parents when you're physically in the office? Or the house duties? Or do we pretend they don't exist? The only way you can pretend you don't need to be with a child 24/7 is if you neglect your duties. You are prioritising work over family. There's no other way. > It isn’t reasonable for the WFH advocates to see us people who prefer the office as sad loners with messed up priorities. That's not what you prefer though. You prefer forcing everyone to accompany you in the office like a sadist. You've heard that some people prefer remote yet you force your ideals on them. You don't prefer the office. You prefer you AND others in the office. Different.

RestlessMind 4y ago
> And who looks after the kids or elderly parents when you're physically in the office? You know, when you are WFH, you are supposed to work. Looking after kids is not working for your employer, unless you are coasting at your job. In which case, such jobs should be consolidated. I think that's what happened at Yahoo back in the day.
- re-thc 4y ago
  And when you're in the office you are supposed to work. So why are people complaining about missing out on "small talk" or anything else non-work? Same same.
  - RestlessMind 4y ago
    Small talk helps forge bonds between team members. As an exec, I actuall encourage people mingling over lunches, coffees or walks because that creates better teams in my experience.
    - re-thc 4y ago
      Yes - your experience - that's the problem i.e. the past. Might as well you say we don't need the Internet because in your experience floppy disks are fine. Why don't you do an actual comparison or study? As in did you have a team with the exact conditions minus small talk and 1 with small talk and then concluded the small talk 1 created better teams? No. So how do you know which 1 it was? I hope execs lead people forward with correct decisions using sound logic and not some vague correlation. Are we going for the 5G causes COVID drama too? In my experience the rumor might hold some value...
      - RestlessMind 4y ago
        > Why don't you do an actual comparison or study? What makes you think I haven't done so? I have surveyed enough people at work and socially. A majority prefers hybrid, a small number favors fully remote while a small numbers wants fully in-office. Top reasons people wanted to come in office: meeting everyone in person, getting complex work (eg. designing a system) done, getting mentorship and onboarding help, free food. Top reasons people wanted to WFH: traffic. There are a handful of cases on extreme ends with patterns like: hating social interaction, not having right conditions at home to work from etc.
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- dang 4y ago
  You also broke the site guidelines badly and repeatedly in this thread. I realize you were provoked, but that doesn't make it ok—on the contrary that's when the rules matter most. "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 4y ago
Your comments in this thread were abusive and broke the site guidelines extremely badly. We ban accounts that do that. Personal attacks are particularly not ok. I'm not going to ban you right now, even though it looks like you've been breaking the site guidelines in other places too, because I didn't see anything this bad in your other comments and because we hadn't warned you before. But please don't do post like this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html