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Tesla Semi Recalled Already, Parking Brake May Fail

50 points by clouddrover 4y ago

KennyBlanken 4y ago
The recall has been removed from nhtsa's site. Also, why is it completely impossible to search for recalls except by specifying a VIN, or make and model and model year and model AND keywords? The system seems expressly designed to discourage or prevent someone from seeing all recalls for a particular model or series, like, say, if they're shopping around and want to see which vehicles have had the most recalls. It is truly amazing that Tesla has managed to fuck up what is (and must be) the simplest and most reliable part of a semi truck. Wanna bet that instead of the thing on the dash being a mechanical valve, it's actually a button that actuates an electronic valve elsewhere, because some idiot Tesla engineer thought it would be smarter?
- rcdemski 4y ago
  It’s simpler. The supplier of the part they bought off the shelf had a larger recall of several hundred units https://www.aboutautomobile.com/Equipment/Safety-Recall/Bendix/Intellipark/23E015000 https://www.aboutautomobile.com/Equipment/Safety-Recall/Bend...
  - userbinator 4y ago
    In other words... Wanna bet that instead of the thing on the dash being a mechanical valve, it's actually a button that actuates an electronic valve elsewhere, because some idiot Tesla engineer thought it would be smarter Replace Tesla with Bendix and that would be closer to the truth. Search "Bendix Intellipark" for some more information. It does replace the mechanical valve with an electronic switch. (Bendix was a good brand and they made a lot of brake stuff, but my experience with them is decades old.)
- epgui 4y ago
  This news is already a few days old, and all of the information about what happened is out, so there's absolutely no need to speculate.
  - vallassy 4y ago
    I would love some more information on this if you have it, my search results are bombarded by all the news outlets copypasting this article.
    - epgui 4y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/live/gX71TVsLf0s?feature=share&t=326 https://www.youtube.com/live/gX71TVsLf0s?feature=share&t=326
- simonw 4y ago
  Looks like you can get at the NHTSA data using their API. It does up to 50 a page - here's the paginated output for (I think) model year 2020: https://api.nhtsa.gov/vehicles/bySearch?productDetail=all&data=none&query=2020&dateStart=&dateEnd=&max=50&name= https://api.nhtsa.gov/vehicles/bySearch?productDetail=all&da... So you could iterate through that for all of 2020, then for 2019, then 2018 etc. Looks like you can get detailed recall information for a specific make/model/year from this API: https://api.nhtsa.gov/recalls/recallsByVehicle?modelYear=2021&make=TOYOTA&model=RAV4%20PRIME https://api.nhtsa.gov/recalls/recallsByVehicle?modelYear=202...
primitivesuave 4y ago
My buddy at Tesla has access to the internal JIRA projects - let me just say that you're definitely not getting your Tesla Semi or Cybertruck anytime soon.
- Robotbeat 4y ago
  Tesla Semi is already in early release.
  - HyperSane 4y ago
    Tesla is not going to be able to make many Tesla Semis per month due to the absurd number of batter cells they consume but that might not matter because they make no economic sense.
    - Robotbeat 4y ago
      That doesn’t make sense. Are you actually basing this off of numbers or just feels? It uses maybe 8 cars’ worth of cells for a Tesla Semi. Tesla makes over 1.6 million cars a year now (based on Q4 2022), so they’d be able to make 200,000 semis a year, which is close to how many new semis are sold in the us every year. As semis are driven more often and with higher payload, this is actually probably a better use of them (more fossil fuel usage displaced) than in commuter cars. As far as economic sense, it could most certainly make a ton of sense compared to diesel for consumers. But sure, Tesla would probably make more margin on cars than on Semi.
      - HyperSane 4y ago
        > they’d be able to make 200,000 semis a year But 0 other cars. > it could most certainly make a ton of sense compared to diesel for consumers Not in most cases when you factor in reduced cargo load due to the 10,000 pound battery and recharging time. You need megawatt charging to get charging time to less than an hour. You won't be able to charge many at the same time with that much current draw. You might even have to warn the power company that you are going to start charging one. https://youtu.be/o3dCDNIRM34?t=567 https://youtu.be/o3dCDNIRM34?t=567 Tesla has been very reluctant to reveal how much the truck can haul but they seem to have accidentally revealed when bragging about how fast the truck can go up hill in the video timestamp I linked to. Tesla said that a truck carrying only 11 jersey barriers on a flat bed weighs 82,000 pounds. This means that the truck is incredibly heavy.
somedude895 4y ago
How is this a big deal? It'll be fixed and they'll be back on the road in a couple weeks. I figure you regularly get these sorts of recalls with a new platform.

50 points by clouddrover 4y ago

The recall has been removed from nhtsa's site. Also, why is it completely impossible to search for recalls except by specifying a VIN, or make and model and model year and model AND keywords? The system seems expressly designed to discourage or prevent someone from seeing all recalls for a particular model or series, like, say, if they're shopping around and want to see which vehicles have had the most recalls. It is truly amazing that Tesla has managed to fuck up what is (and must be) the simplest and most reliable part of a semi truck. Wanna bet that instead of the thing on the dash being a mechanical valve, it's actually a button that actuates an electronic valve elsewhere, because some idiot Tesla engineer thought it would be smarter?

rcdemski 4y ago
It’s simpler. The supplier of the part they bought off the shelf had a larger recall of several hundred units https://www.aboutautomobile.com/Equipment/Safety-Recall/Bendix/Intellipark/23E015000 https://www.aboutautomobile.com/Equipment/Safety-Recall/Bend...
- userbinator 4y ago
  In other words... Wanna bet that instead of the thing on the dash being a mechanical valve, it's actually a button that actuates an electronic valve elsewhere, because some idiot Tesla engineer thought it would be smarter Replace Tesla with Bendix and that would be closer to the truth. Search "Bendix Intellipark" for some more information. It does replace the mechanical valve with an electronic switch. (Bendix was a good brand and they made a lot of brake stuff, but my experience with them is decades old.)
epgui 4y ago
This news is already a few days old, and all of the information about what happened is out, so there's absolutely no need to speculate.
- vallassy 4y ago
  I would love some more information on this if you have it, my search results are bombarded by all the news outlets copypasting this article.
  - epgui 4y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/live/gX71TVsLf0s?feature=share&t=326 https://www.youtube.com/live/gX71TVsLf0s?feature=share&t=326
simonw 4y ago
Looks like you can get at the NHTSA data using their API. It does up to 50 a page - here's the paginated output for (I think) model year 2020: https://api.nhtsa.gov/vehicles/bySearch?productDetail=all&data=none&query=2020&dateStart=&dateEnd=&max=50&name= https://api.nhtsa.gov/vehicles/bySearch?productDetail=all&da... So you could iterate through that for all of 2020, then for 2019, then 2018 etc. Looks like you can get detailed recall information for a specific make/model/year from this API: https://api.nhtsa.gov/recalls/recallsByVehicle?modelYear=2021&make=TOYOTA&model=RAV4%20PRIME https://api.nhtsa.gov/recalls/recallsByVehicle?modelYear=202...

primitivesuave 4y ago

My buddy at Tesla has access to the internal JIRA projects - let me just say that you're definitely not getting your Tesla Semi or Cybertruck anytime soon.

Robotbeat 4y ago
Tesla Semi is already in early release.
- HyperSane 4y ago
  Tesla is not going to be able to make many Tesla Semis per month due to the absurd number of batter cells they consume but that might not matter because they make no economic sense.
  - Robotbeat 4y ago
    That doesn’t make sense. Are you actually basing this off of numbers or just feels? It uses maybe 8 cars’ worth of cells for a Tesla Semi. Tesla makes over 1.6 million cars a year now (based on Q4 2022), so they’d be able to make 200,000 semis a year, which is close to how many new semis are sold in the us every year. As semis are driven more often and with higher payload, this is actually probably a better use of them (more fossil fuel usage displaced) than in commuter cars. As far as economic sense, it could most certainly make a ton of sense compared to diesel for consumers. But sure, Tesla would probably make more margin on cars than on Semi.
    - HyperSane 4y ago
      > they’d be able to make 200,000 semis a year But 0 other cars. > it could most certainly make a ton of sense compared to diesel for consumers Not in most cases when you factor in reduced cargo load due to the 10,000 pound battery and recharging time. You need megawatt charging to get charging time to less than an hour. You won't be able to charge many at the same time with that much current draw. You might even have to warn the power company that you are going to start charging one. https://youtu.be/o3dCDNIRM34?t=567 https://youtu.be/o3dCDNIRM34?t=567 Tesla has been very reluctant to reveal how much the truck can haul but they seem to have accidentally revealed when bragging about how fast the truck can go up hill in the video timestamp I linked to. Tesla said that a truck carrying only 11 jersey barriers on a flat bed weighs 82,000 pounds. This means that the truck is incredibly heavy.

somedude895 4y ago

How is this a big deal? It'll be fixed and they'll be back on the road in a couple weeks. I figure you regularly get these sorts of recalls with a new platform.