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> They have blood on their hands and history of silencing and oppressing dissidents such as Aaron Schwartz. I guess what you have in mind is that Aaron Swartz
by credit_guy 4y ago
> They have blood on their hands and history of silencing and oppressing dissidents such as Aaron Schwartz.
I guess what you have in mind is that Aaron Swartz was arrested by the MIT Campus Police (together with a Secret Service agent). This is not oppression by MIT. The MIT Campus Police received the arrest warrant from a federal prosecutor (Carmen Ortiz) and they needed to carry out the arrest. They did not have a choice in the matter.
If anything MIT was the opposite of what you portray them to be. They had an open campus policy at the time (they stopped that during Covid). Anyone could wander inside the campus and walk through the MIT buildings, and in some cases could access computers, which Aaron Swartz did in order to download articles. Actually, MIT helped Aaron in carrying out his mission.
As for MIT helping the US military, yes, they did and they do that. I'm proud of it. If you think the military is bad, you haven't been paying attention lately, especially in the last one year and a bit.
- sudosysgen 4y agoJust because other militaries are bad doesn't make the US military good. It's perfectly analogous in its wars of agression, and supporting it is morally bad, no matter how hard you whatabout it.
- credit_guy 4y agoUkraine has great fighters and great spirit. But fighters and spirit can take you only that far. Without the Javelins and Himars, Ukraine would have collapsed in a matter of weeks. Without a doubt some of the tech that goes in those Javelins and Himars was invented at MIT. This is not whataboutism. This is how you stop tyranny.
- sudosysgen 4y agoThe weapons you're talking about killed over a million people in tyrannical wars and terrorism. They are weapons of tyranny.
- credit_guy 4y agoI understand that you'd like to live in a world where everyone loved each other and there are no weapons, and people walk around carrying roses and tulips. That world does not exist. The world we are living in is a world where Putin exists. A world where a disarmed US and Western Europe would be conquered in less time than it would take you to sing Kumbaya. I prefer to live in a world where MIT helps the US military complex come up with better missiles than a world where Putin kills millions of men, women and children in the name of "denazification".
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- sudosysgen 4y agoI'm telling you that your argument if it was valid would justify the people at the Moscow Institute of Technology (MIT) making weapons for the Russian military because they were used by {choose country criminally invaded by the US} to defend themselves against invaders. Your position is hypocritical unless you think that it's morally good to make weapons for Putin.
- TylerLives 4y agoDo you think the outcome of the war matters when evaluating the actions of the international community in Ukraine? For example, if millions of people die in Ukraine as a consequence of war that was only possible because NATO decided to arm Ukrainians, will it be justified, because they were fighting for democracy? What if Ukraine loses anyway?