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No, this is making hydrocarbons out of air and water using electricity. This is an exceptionally clean, if costly, process. The potentially risky stuff is based

No, this is making hydrocarbons out of air and water using electricity. This is an exceptionally clean, if costly, process. The potentially risky stuff is based on baking hydrocarbons out of waste using heat. Though that article you probably read is more of a clickbait hit-piece than legitimate journalism. That said, this article is also a vaguely disguised ad.

steponlego 4y ago
I just think we're jerking off pre-hydrogen which seems to be the most ideal fuel.
- Incipient 4y ago
  Hydrogen does have its problems. It's much harder to handle and transport than a nice liquid hydrocarbon. Due to its size, hydrogen leaks easily from seals. Hydrogen embritlement on metals is also a thing. No problems we haven't solved, but they all add cost over traditional petrol.
  - steponlego 4y ago
    It's not hydrogen vs. petrol, but hydrogen vs. dirty lithium mines.
    - defrost 4y ago
      Pragmatic, practical, hydrogen at scale from the people currently building out ways to double and quadruple current global green hydrogen production is looking a lot like bulk transport of ammonia (hydrogen rich with 'safe' nitrogen by product) to large scale generators to distribute electricity .. to charge "dirty lithium" batteries. If it's any consolation the "dirty lithium" part doesn't happen at the mines - they fairly cleanly extract and mechanically produce concentrates which largely (today) go to China and Malaysia .. and will soon ship to Texas.
hedora 4y ago
I think it is carcinogenic. Apparently the plant for this (or another competitor) pumps carcinogens into the air at orders of magnitude above the legal limit.
- petre 4y ago
  I was wondering why they made it in Chile. Wind? Sun? Cheap land? Corruption and lack of evironment protection regulation? Also using ships running on HFO to transport this green e-fuel from Chile to Germany or whrerever they sell most Porsches.

steponlego 4y ago

I just think we're jerking off pre-hydrogen which seems to be the most ideal fuel.

Incipient 4y ago
Hydrogen does have its problems. It's much harder to handle and transport than a nice liquid hydrocarbon. Due to its size, hydrogen leaks easily from seals. Hydrogen embritlement on metals is also a thing. No problems we haven't solved, but they all add cost over traditional petrol.
- steponlego 4y ago
  It's not hydrogen vs. petrol, but hydrogen vs. dirty lithium mines.
  - defrost 4y ago
    Pragmatic, practical, hydrogen at scale from the people currently building out ways to double and quadruple current global green hydrogen production is looking a lot like bulk transport of ammonia (hydrogen rich with 'safe' nitrogen by product) to large scale generators to distribute electricity .. to charge "dirty lithium" batteries. If it's any consolation the "dirty lithium" part doesn't happen at the mines - they fairly cleanly extract and mechanically produce concentrates which largely (today) go to China and Malaysia .. and will soon ship to Texas.

hedora 4y ago

I think it is carcinogenic. Apparently the plant for this (or another competitor) pumps carcinogens into the air at orders of magnitude above the legal limit.

petre 4y ago
I was wondering why they made it in Chile. Wind? Sun? Cheap land? Corruption and lack of evironment protection regulation? Also using ships running on HFO to transport this green e-fuel from Chile to Germany or whrerever they sell most Porsches.