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If the Windows 12 rumors (CorePC etc.) are really true, and Windows continues down the path of PMs and designers handing out orders from their Macs, I expect a

If the Windows 12 rumors (CorePC etc.) are really true, and Windows continues down the path of PMs and designers handing out orders from their Macs, I expect a temporary jump in the amount of gamers jumping ship.

7speter 4y ago
I think the whole "moving security tools on a vm that will eat up cpu cores" will be the issue to watch this year on Windows 11. There's a lot of these new crazy Windows features (that reveal why Microsoft set a hard line on the age of hardware that can be used going forward) that have the potential to be breaking points for various segments of the Windows userbase. But maybe I'm just blindly optimistic, and Microsoft has studied windows users enough to know how much they can abuse them.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  With my security hat on, many of those features are more than welcomed by SecDevOps, specially when many insist writing software in languages like C and C++ is still the way to go.
  - 7speter 4y ago
    Maybe this is old and outdated, but isn't Linux mostly just more secure that WIndows based on how it's designed (I'm thinking mainly about how administrative tasks require sudo level authorization, btut here's probably more)? YEs, if you have to use linux, it's probably a great thing to have security run features run in a virtual environment, nut I think people who have an old system and don't want to buy a new computer might look at other options that don't just chew up system resources. Sudo doesn't require little cores.
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      Not really, specially after Windows XP security focus. Nowadays Windows even runs critical parts of the kernel and drivers in their own little sandboxes, it uses mostly userspace drivers, and every OS handle has a security descriptor associated with it. Also if running on the network, there are AD group policies that can be really fined tuned to what each user is allowed to access on their computers. Windows NT linage of OSes isn't the same free ride for all than Windows 9x.
ramblerman 4y ago
> Windows continues down the path of PMs and designers handing out orders from their Macs Oof, that's a damning statement. Is there evidence this is a real thing? I would hope under Nadella the concept of dogfooding is ubiquitous enough that they are all forced onto surface pros and windows 11, but I've seen crazier things.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  > Oof, that's a damning statement. Is there evidence this is a real thing? Depends on what you mean by evidence. Several HNers claiming to be or have been Microsoft employees attest to the designers at least using Macs. To my knowledge no one has ever stepped forward to contradict them. Frankly, give where Windows has gone under Nadella, I think he'd just rather the Desktop OS die off as a concept.
pjmlp 4y ago
I have been reading about this since Windows XP came out. Instead what I have witness have been many UNIX zealots (myself included), to either move into Windows (alongside VMs), or macOS, with Linux desktop never going beyond 2% in 25 years.
dogma1138 4y ago
Jump onto what? Gaming experience on Linux is still terrible and a non starter for most people.
- zamalek 4y ago
  > Gaming experience on Linux is still terrible and a non starter for most people. That's a very confident assertion for something that is extremely debatable either way. Do you have a source on Linux being a non-starter? At least a million Steam Deck users seem to be doing just fine.

7speter 4y ago

I think the whole "moving security tools on a vm that will eat up cpu cores" will be the issue to watch this year on Windows 11. There's a lot of these new crazy Windows features (that reveal why Microsoft set a hard line on the age of hardware that can be used going forward) that have the potential to be breaking points for various segments of the Windows userbase. But maybe I'm just blindly optimistic, and Microsoft has studied windows users enough to know how much they can abuse them.

pjmlp 4y ago
With my security hat on, many of those features are more than welcomed by SecDevOps, specially when many insist writing software in languages like C and C++ is still the way to go.
- 7speter 4y ago
  Maybe this is old and outdated, but isn't Linux mostly just more secure that WIndows based on how it's designed (I'm thinking mainly about how administrative tasks require sudo level authorization, btut here's probably more)? YEs, if you have to use linux, it's probably a great thing to have security run features run in a virtual environment, nut I think people who have an old system and don't want to buy a new computer might look at other options that don't just chew up system resources. Sudo doesn't require little cores.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Not really, specially after Windows XP security focus. Nowadays Windows even runs critical parts of the kernel and drivers in their own little sandboxes, it uses mostly userspace drivers, and every OS handle has a security descriptor associated with it. Also if running on the network, there are AD group policies that can be really fined tuned to what each user is allowed to access on their computers. Windows NT linage of OSes isn't the same free ride for all than Windows 9x.

ramblerman 4y ago

> Windows continues down the path of PMs and designers handing out orders from their Macs Oof, that's a damning statement. Is there evidence this is a real thing? I would hope under Nadella the concept of dogfooding is ubiquitous enough that they are all forced onto surface pros and windows 11, but I've seen crazier things.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
> Oof, that's a damning statement. Is there evidence this is a real thing? Depends on what you mean by evidence. Several HNers claiming to be or have been Microsoft employees attest to the designers at least using Macs. To my knowledge no one has ever stepped forward to contradict them. Frankly, give where Windows has gone under Nadella, I think he'd just rather the Desktop OS die off as a concept.

pjmlp 4y ago

I have been reading about this since Windows XP came out. Instead what I have witness have been many UNIX zealots (myself included), to either move into Windows (alongside VMs), or macOS, with Linux desktop never going beyond 2% in 25 years.

dogma1138 4y ago

Jump onto what? Gaming experience on Linux is still terrible and a non starter for most people.

zamalek 4y ago
> Gaming experience on Linux is still terrible and a non starter for most people. That's a very confident assertion for something that is extremely debatable either way. Do you have a source on Linux being a non-starter? At least a million Steam Deck users seem to be doing just fine.