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> It's a convention, in the ComicCon sense This is a common way people use to rationalise it. But how do you think decisions are made when there is group of pe
by varispeed 4y ago
> It's a convention, in the ComicCon sense
This is a common way people use to rationalise it. But how do you think decisions are made when there is group of people where each one has a part to play to execute a policy? The word you are looking for is a meeting. People meet, discuss, share concerns and agree plan. At this level, this is not something you can do over a Zoom call as you don't know who may be in the room and there are other security risks to consider.
So they organise ComicCon, in a semi-open fashion. After all, what pleb like me and you can do about it?
Even if you write online, like I do, you can see I am getting dismissed, often ridiculed and often ad hominem follow as well.
They can totally do it and there is nothing people can do about it, so they don't even have to hide that much.
- tptacek 4y agoOne way you can tell it's a conspiracy theory is that people talk about the WEF, which has no power other than arranging the name tags on the lunch tables at the gatherings, rather than the actual policy makers making decisions. Try a thought experiment: contravene the will of the World Economic Forum. What happens next? You don't get to go next year? Statistically, that means your company performance will significantly improve!
- roenxi 4y agoThat argument doesn't make sense. It is like saying that the policies Bharatiya Janata Party are a conspiracy theory because the party is basically just a big social club, and upsetting a few key members of the BJP executive doesn't imply anything. It doesn't, but then later in unrelated news a billion Indians might start making life difficult for our hypothetical upsetter at the direction of the Indian parliament. The social club is convened for the purpose of high status people deciding how to influence the direction of the World Economy. It isn't a literature club. Their consensus opinions and the voices in the room matter a lot. > .. people talk about the WEF ... rather than the actual policy makers The names aren't a mystery. Klaus Schwab organises the thing. Lists of the politicians and businessmen are published. It is easier to say WEF than to say "9 of the 10 wealthiest people except Adani". Especially since Adani still attends some of the meetups. https://qz.com/davos-2023-world-economic-forum-attendees-1849990706 https://qz.com/davos-2023-world-economic-forum-attendees-184...
- tptacek 4y agoThe BJP is in fact not just a big social club.
- roenxi 4y agoThe WEF is in fact not just a big social club either. People go their to coordinate, discuss policy and make deals. They aren't going for the merch. They are there to lobby and influence, dare I say, the World Economy. I mean, https://www.weforum.org/focus/the-great-reset https://www.weforum.org/focus/the-great-reset . They're not talking about the weather. They're looking at the future and coordinating a response. EDIT https://www.weforum.org/great-reset https://www.weforum.org/great-reset was a better link.
- tptacek 4y agoThe WEF is if anything less than a social club. It's a series of social events. It's nothing. The only potential energy it has at all is people imputing it power on threads about how it's the secret architect of the global economy. That is not something you can say about the BJP, which has real power.
- roenxi 4y agoWhat powers do you think the BJP has that the WEF doesn't?
- tptacek 4y agoThe BJP is one of the two largest political parties in India.
- roenxi 4y agoSo say someone walks in and argues that the BJP has no power other than adding a tag to names in an election, and we should rather talk about the actual policy makers making decisions? Seem like a fair argument to you for why the BJP is not a real political entity? Because that misses the points just as much as it does in describing the WEF. There is coordination going on beyond the official powers of the organisation. The organisation exists to coordinate political action!
- listenallyall 4y ago> no power other than arranging the name tags on the lunch tables The WEF itself would starkly disagree. For more than 50 years, the Forum has engaged global Partners to drive significant impact – creating historic initiatives, industry breakthroughs, economic solutions and tens of thousands of projects and collaborations – improving the state of the world That's a lot more than arranging name tags. https://www.weforum.org/impact https://www.weforum.org/impact
- mthoms 4y agoThat’s not what “power” means. They don’t have the power to force anything to happen outside their little get together. The only “power” they have is limited to what participants can or can’t do while attending. Such as: they have the power to require attendees wear their name tags as a condition for attending. (Not sure if that’s actually a thing; it’s merely illustrative)
- listenallyall 4y agoIf you only think power = force, you don't understand how real power is wielded. You're absolutely correct, WEF will not jail you if you do something its members don't like. If you assume that means it doesn't have any power other than enforcing name tag rules, you're naive.
- mthoms 4y agoCan you give an example where they have wielded this power? That is, can you give a single, solitary example where the WEF has implemented something that goes against the wishes of the electorate somewhere? Anything?
- listenallyall 4y agoI don't think you'll find a single person, including hardcore climate deniers, (let alone an entire "electorate") that would endorse 1000+ private jets all heading to the same event. Why not hold the conference over Zoom? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/13/private-jet-emissions-quadrupled-davos-2022 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment...
- xist 4y ago> They can totally do it and there is nothing people can do about it, so they don't even have to hide that much. All the "theories" I've seen conveniently forget about China & India - the world's largest population by a long shot. How does these conspiracy of WEF impact them? Until I see something that doesn't have a "me" complex as the main reasoning I'm going to dismiss it.
- im3w1l 4y agoIt's quite simple. There are multiple conspiracies and they ally with each other but those bonds are fluid and shifting. To give two examples relating to China and India here was a thread very recently that mentioned how the Mexican cartels are making inroads in the US, succesfully corrupting some police union and that cartel was also in cahoots with the chinese as thats where they were sourcing their fentanyl from. There is also the Indian Brahmin conspiracy where they favor each other over other castes even abroad. Both of these are real and established. But it's also clear that neither of them are all-powerful.
- xist 4y agoIn those 2 examples, they have nothing to do with WEF's goal as far as I can tell. In fact, Indian Brahmin would seem to contradict with WEF's supposed goals. wrt Mexican cartels, I'm not sure how that fits into the original narrative of WEF - do Mexican cartels work for the WEF? I've never heard this theory before. I don't see why any of the groups mentioned would submit themselves to endgoals WEF is supposedly aiming for. I'm skeptical why they would.
- tptacek 4y agoSounds pretty simple. Every abusive group in the world is coordinating with every other group.
- im3w1l 4y agoI didn't word that very well, I meant that they sometimes ally, and sometimes oppose each other and often they are neutral.