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>if you have a large compareable influx of have-nots I'm not in Sweden but why are we always pointing the finger at the poor immigrants? Do you think there are

>if you have a large compareable influx of have-nots I'm not in Sweden but why are we always pointing the finger at the poor immigrants? Do you think there are no native Swedes being fucked by this real estate market? Granted, having an open borders migration policy is not a good idea when you have a housing shortage. If you're struggling to provide for the locals, then the newcomers will have it even worse and won't like it, leading to more inequality, social divide, unrest and increased crime. But blaming immigrants is always a cheap shot politicians take to blame the demographic without voting rights for the problems they themselves are responsible for. "It's not us who screwed you over with inflation and housing while taking your taxes, it's the immigrants who took your job and house".

bilbo0s 4y ago
So true. Immigration is an entirely separate issue. Conflating it with the fact that hard working Swedes can’t secure good housing only serves to make those Swedes, who are already pissed off, more pissed off. It’s bringing the masses closer to taking to the streets with calls for Madame La Guillotine. Housing needs to be fixed asap in Sweden. (And in most of the western world if we’re being honest.)
- xienze 4y ago
  > Immigration is an entirely separate issue. Conflating it with the fact that hard working Swedes can’t secure good housing How do you figure the two are unrelated? The native poor are competing with an influx of poor immigrants for the same pool of housing. I find it hard to understand how those same poor natives would be worse off in terms of housing prospects if the immigrants never showed up, all things being equal. Immigration is never 100% of the reason behind housing issues, but it’s more significant than most people want to admit.
  - 908B64B197 4y ago
    > Immigration is never 100% of the reason behind housing issues, but it’s more significant than most people want to admit. Considering how the Swedish government tried to hide the crime wave that correlated with it's open doors immigration policy [0] [1] [2], I wouldn't be surprised if they were fully aware of the impact but were trying to withhold that information as well. [0] https://twitter.com/KirkegaardEmil/status/1176849017566826497 https://twitter.com/KirkegaardEmil/status/117684901756682649... [1] https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2021/11/sweden-finally-publishes-new-immigrant-crime-rate-data-which-shows-no-surprises/ https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2021/11/sweden-finally-publishe... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764
suddenclarity 4y ago
> I'm not in Sweden but why are we always pointing the finger at the poor immigrants? It's not about pointing fingers but rather that people with one foreign born parent have increased from roughly 16% to over 40% in the working age population during the last 30 years. When you become half of the population, you'll have a major impact on all statistics. People outside of Sweden most likely aren't aware and might draw rushed conclusion if they don't know why different stats are currently changing rapidly in all areas.
sumedh 4y ago
> If you're struggling to provide for the locals, then the newcomers will have it even worse That depends, newcomers will take up job which the local dont want to do. They will accept poor living conditions which locals wont do.

bilbo0s 4y ago

So true. Immigration is an entirely separate issue. Conflating it with the fact that hard working Swedes can’t secure good housing only serves to make those Swedes, who are already pissed off, more pissed off. It’s bringing the masses closer to taking to the streets with calls for Madame La Guillotine. Housing needs to be fixed asap in Sweden. (And in most of the western world if we’re being honest.)

xienze 4y ago
> Immigration is an entirely separate issue. Conflating it with the fact that hard working Swedes can’t secure good housing How do you figure the two are unrelated? The native poor are competing with an influx of poor immigrants for the same pool of housing. I find it hard to understand how those same poor natives would be worse off in terms of housing prospects if the immigrants never showed up, all things being equal. Immigration is never 100% of the reason behind housing issues, but it’s more significant than most people want to admit.
- 908B64B197 4y ago
  > Immigration is never 100% of the reason behind housing issues, but it’s more significant than most people want to admit. Considering how the Swedish government tried to hide the crime wave that correlated with it's open doors immigration policy [0] [1] [2], I wouldn't be surprised if they were fully aware of the impact but were trying to withhold that information as well. [0] https://twitter.com/KirkegaardEmil/status/1176849017566826497 https://twitter.com/KirkegaardEmil/status/117684901756682649... [1] https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2021/11/sweden-finally-publishes-new-immigrant-crime-rate-data-which-shows-no-surprises/ https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2021/11/sweden-finally-publishe... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764

suddenclarity 4y ago

> I'm not in Sweden but why are we always pointing the finger at the poor immigrants? It's not about pointing fingers but rather that people with one foreign born parent have increased from roughly 16% to over 40% in the working age population during the last 30 years. When you become half of the population, you'll have a major impact on all statistics. People outside of Sweden most likely aren't aware and might draw rushed conclusion if they don't know why different stats are currently changing rapidly in all areas.

sumedh 4y ago

> If you're struggling to provide for the locals, then the newcomers will have it even worse That depends, newcomers will take up job which the local dont want to do. They will accept poor living conditions which locals wont do.