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> Telugu Kari doesn’t mean curry in the sense that British people understand it. As a native Telugu speaker, I use kura in the same sense as the English curry

by unmole 4y ago

> Telugu Kari doesn’t mean curry in the sense that British people understand it. As a native Telugu speaker, I use kura in the same sense as the English curry to refer to a diverse class of dishes. > look up the history Here's some history: Hyderabad was never colonized by the British. My grandparents who grew up in Hyderabad State and didn't speak any English used kura in the same sense that I do. > Hyderabad in particular caters a lot to foreign nationals due to the proliferation of the tech sector there. You don't have the faintest idea of what you're talking about. The Curry Points I mentioned are little hole-in-the-wall takeaway places that you see in every other street corner. They are almost exclusively patronised by Telugus. Forget foreigners, even migrants from other states usually find the spice levels too high. > Anyway What curry dishes are they serving there? “Hyderabadi chicken curry”? What is it called natively? I haven't heard of a distinctive Hyderabadi variant but they obviously serve chiken curry which in Telugu would be called kodi kura. Google Maps is your friend: https://www.google.com/maps/search/curry+point/@17.5057149,78.3865468,14z https://www.google.com/maps/search/curry+point/@17.5057149,7...

dagmx 4y ago
India was colonized. Whether they specifically colonized an area or not is irrelevant. Indian regions don’t exist in isolation. Kari in telugu is not the same as curry. The colloquial use of it as such is an artifact of British rule. You dont exist in a bubble. Kura is not the same as a generic curry. Not all things that are considered a “curry” are Kura or Kari
- unmole 4y ago
  > Indian regions don’t exist in isolation. Hyderabad existed as a politically and culturally separate entity. The ramifications of these historical distinctions play out in politics to this day. See Telangana statehood for an example. > Kari in telugu You keep bringing it up but to the best of my knowledge there's no kari in Telugu. > The colloquial use of it as such is an artifact of British rule. Do you have a source that isn't your ass? > Kura is not the same as a generic curry. Oh knowledgeable one, please tell me more.
  - danans 4y ago
    > Hyderabad existed as a politically and culturally separate entity The only culturally separate population I know of on earth anymore are the Sentinelese on the Andaman and Nicobar islands. Hyderabad's name itself is Arabic+Persian, and compared to India overall, far more people speak English there. It was a regional capital of South Asia. Cosmopolitan places like that are always cultural crossroads. Practically everyone/everyplace is a mutt, culturally and biologically, the world over, except perhaps the Sentinelese.
  - dagmx 4y ago
    Sorry I meant Tamil Not Telugu. But the point remains the same. Curry in the British sense is not curry in any Indian sense. Kari doesnt imply a specific gravy dish, it implies a spiced sauce component. Saying you want a curry dish is like saying you want a cream dish when you order murgh makhani. It’s incongruent and a conflation of modern colloquial use vs the actual dish. Just like not ever meat dish is a ragu in Italy. And Hyderabad may have been politically separate. It’s not culturally separate. Unless you purposefully deny any migration. Hyderabad is not some unique snowflake among the Indian diaspora.
    - notahacker 4y ago
      > Kari doesnt imply a specific gravy dish, it implies a spiced sauce component So a bit like how us Brits use "curry" then...
      - dagmx 4y ago
        No because there’s no dish that’s a curry. It’s a component of a dish. Furthermore it’s a very specific component historically pepper based. This is the problem. You borrowed a word that you don’t understand the depth of and are now arguing that it should be used in your way when people raise what it actually means. It’s a co-opting of a cultures word and cuisines. There is no dish that’s “curry”. The British generalized it to be all spiced thick stews. Would you call an eggs Benedict “a hollandaise”? Or roast potato’s as “chips”? No because there’s specifics to a dish that you afford it because you’re familiar with it. Calling them curries and expecting that to be the actual term is ignorance.
vrc 4y ago
Kodi kura was the exact example that popped into my mind. Kura is a cognate/derivative from some Dravidian root similar to Kari/Curry (I believe Malayalam and Tamil use the kari form)

by unmole 4y ago

dagmx 4y ago

India was colonized. Whether they specifically colonized an area or not is irrelevant. Indian regions don’t exist in isolation. Kari in telugu is not the same as curry. The colloquial use of it as such is an artifact of British rule. You dont exist in a bubble. Kura is not the same as a generic curry. Not all things that are considered a “curry” are Kura or Kari

unmole 4y ago
> Indian regions don’t exist in isolation. Hyderabad existed as a politically and culturally separate entity. The ramifications of these historical distinctions play out in politics to this day. See Telangana statehood for an example. > Kari in telugu You keep bringing it up but to the best of my knowledge there's no kari in Telugu. > The colloquial use of it as such is an artifact of British rule. Do you have a source that isn't your ass? > Kura is not the same as a generic curry. Oh knowledgeable one, please tell me more.
- danans 4y ago
  > Hyderabad existed as a politically and culturally separate entity The only culturally separate population I know of on earth anymore are the Sentinelese on the Andaman and Nicobar islands. Hyderabad's name itself is Arabic+Persian, and compared to India overall, far more people speak English there. It was a regional capital of South Asia. Cosmopolitan places like that are always cultural crossroads. Practically everyone/everyplace is a mutt, culturally and biologically, the world over, except perhaps the Sentinelese.
- dagmx 4y ago
  Sorry I meant Tamil Not Telugu. But the point remains the same. Curry in the British sense is not curry in any Indian sense. Kari doesnt imply a specific gravy dish, it implies a spiced sauce component. Saying you want a curry dish is like saying you want a cream dish when you order murgh makhani. It’s incongruent and a conflation of modern colloquial use vs the actual dish. Just like not ever meat dish is a ragu in Italy. And Hyderabad may have been politically separate. It’s not culturally separate. Unless you purposefully deny any migration. Hyderabad is not some unique snowflake among the Indian diaspora.
  - notahacker 4y ago
    > Kari doesnt imply a specific gravy dish, it implies a spiced sauce component So a bit like how us Brits use "curry" then...
    - dagmx 4y ago
      No because there’s no dish that’s a curry. It’s a component of a dish. Furthermore it’s a very specific component historically pepper based. This is the problem. You borrowed a word that you don’t understand the depth of and are now arguing that it should be used in your way when people raise what it actually means. It’s a co-opting of a cultures word and cuisines. There is no dish that’s “curry”. The British generalized it to be all spiced thick stews. Would you call an eggs Benedict “a hollandaise”? Or roast potato’s as “chips”? No because there’s specifics to a dish that you afford it because you’re familiar with it. Calling them curries and expecting that to be the actual term is ignorance.

vrc 4y ago

Kodi kura was the exact example that popped into my mind. Kura is a cognate/derivative from some Dravidian root similar to Kari/Curry (I believe Malayalam and Tamil use the kari form)