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> The only use of the word curry in restaurants is to appeal to British nationals (and anyone they spread their culture to). So, the Curry Points that dot Hyde

by unmole 4y ago

> The only use of the word curry in restaurants is to appeal to British nationals (and anyone they spread their culture to). So, the Curry Points that dot Hyderabad are artefacts of British colonialism? > The generalization into “curry” was one of colonial misinterpretation. Yeah, no. The Telugu kura which is obviously cognate with kari is used to mean, well curry. How about you tone down the misinterpretation and false generalization?

j45 4y ago
Agreed, and, using a word from one area of India might not be suited for applying to all of it. That cross pollination of words is something the English language seems to do from time to time. Every area of the Indian subcontinent was a rich area of its own languages, music, food and more. For me north, South Indian cuisine and everything in the between is worth getting to know as and where it is.
dagmx 4y ago
Telugu Kari doesn’t mean curry in the sense that British people understand it. Please actually look up the history of what kari is. The use of curry in Indian restaurants in Hyderabad are an artifact of colonialism. Hyderabad in particular caters a lot to foreign nationals due to the proliferation of the tech sector there. Anyway What curry dishes are they serving there? “Hyderabadi chicken curry”? What is it called natively?
- j45 4y ago
  Probably just chicken something. Well said.
  - unmole 4y ago
    I assure you, if you ask for chicken curry in any restaurant in Hyderabad, they'll know exactly what you mean. They might not necessarily serve it though.
    - dagmx 4y ago
      Of course they know it. They don’t exist in a vacuum. That doesn’t mean the dish is “curry”. Just like how many Indians will call it Butter Chicken Curry colloquially but the dish is Murgh Makhani.
      - unmole 4y ago
        > That doesn’t mean the dish is “curry”. Is this supposed to be some metaphysical argument? The dish is literally chicken curry i.e. kodi kura.
        dagmx 4y ago
        The point is: - curry is used in Britain (and any place they colonized) to refer to any and all spiced gravy, not just sauce. - Kari in Tamil (widely considered to be the root of the word curry) refers to a dark, spiced sauce. It doesn’t mention it’s a gravy and it likely referred to a black peppercorn based sauce. It is simply an element of a dish like a bechamel. It is not a dish by itself. - kodi kura is a specific preparation of chicken. Kura doesn’t mean curry, its closest English translation would be a stew. And even if it would be classified as a curry in England, it doesn’t change that it’s neither what they call curry or that other dishes that they call curry aren’t a form of kari in India. Lastly, you take great pains to say that Hyderabad is culturally and politically independent from the British rule. So by that logic it wouldn’t even be a usable argument to say Curry is derived from those words At the end of the day, the most well known etymology for curry is a mistranslation of the Tamil `Kari` where they mistook a single component of a dish to be the whole dish. It was further perpetuated in the west as a stereotyped dish. Many Indians accept the word curry today because it was introduced into our zeitgeist but the concept of Curry as it is in the Uk has no foundation in actual Indian cuisine.
        unmole 4y ago
        > Kura doesn’t mean curry, its closest English translation would be a stew FFS, no! A dry stir fry is called a podi kura, with podi meaning dry. A stew like curry would be called a pulusu kura. > Lastly, you take great pains to say that Hyderabad is culturally and politically independent from the British rule. So by that logic it wouldn’t even be a usable argument to say Curry is derived from those words. Telugu speakers of Hyderabad State used the same word as their colinguists in the British ruled Madras Presidency. This would suggest the term predates the annexation of the Northern Circars by the British who could have then adopted it. > At the end of the day, the most well known etymology for curry is a mistranslation of the Tamil `Kari` where they mistook a single component of a dish to be the whole dish. At the end of the day, curry is a perfectly valid coinage and is cognate with kura and used to mean the exact same thing. > It was further perpetuated in the west as a stereotyped dish. Many Indians accept the word curry today because it was introduced into our zeitgeist but the concept of Curry as it is in the Uk has no foundation in actual Indian cuisine. Curry is quintessentially Indian. The fact that some Indian languages don't have an equivalent encompassing term doesn't change that.
- unmole 4y ago
  > Telugu Kari doesn’t mean curry in the sense that British people understand it. As a native Telugu speaker, I use kura in the same sense as the English curry to refer to a diverse class of dishes. > look up the history Here's some history: Hyderabad was never colonized by the British. My grandparents who grew up in Hyderabad State and didn't speak any English used kura in the same sense that I do. > Hyderabad in particular caters a lot to foreign nationals due to the proliferation of the tech sector there. You don't have the faintest idea of what you're talking about. The Curry Points I mentioned are little hole-in-the-wall takeaway places that you see in every other street corner. They are almost exclusively patronised by Telugus. Forget foreigners, even migrants from other states usually find the spice levels too high. > Anyway What curry dishes are they serving there? “Hyderabadi chicken curry”? What is it called natively? I haven't heard of a distinctive Hyderabadi variant but they obviously serve chiken curry which in Telugu would be called kodi kura. Google Maps is your friend: https://www.google.com/maps/search/curry+point/@17.5057149,78.3865468,14z https://www.google.com/maps/search/curry+point/@17.5057149,7...
  - dagmx 4y ago
    India was colonized. Whether they specifically colonized an area or not is irrelevant. Indian regions don’t exist in isolation. Kari in telugu is not the same as curry. The colloquial use of it as such is an artifact of British rule. You dont exist in a bubble. Kura is not the same as a generic curry. Not all things that are considered a “curry” are Kura or Kari
    - unmole 4y ago
      > Indian regions don’t exist in isolation. Hyderabad existed as a politically and culturally separate entity. The ramifications of these historical distinctions play out in politics to this day. See Telangana statehood for an example. > Kari in telugu You keep bringing it up but to the best of my knowledge there's no kari in Telugu. > The colloquial use of it as such is an artifact of British rule. Do you have a source that isn't your ass? > Kura is not the same as a generic curry. Oh knowledgeable one, please tell me more.

by unmole 4y ago

j45 4y ago

Agreed, and, using a word from one area of India might not be suited for applying to all of it. That cross pollination of words is something the English language seems to do from time to time. Every area of the Indian subcontinent was a rich area of its own languages, music, food and more. For me north, South Indian cuisine and everything in the between is worth getting to know as and where it is.

dagmx 4y ago

Telugu Kari doesn’t mean curry in the sense that British people understand it. Please actually look up the history of what kari is. The use of curry in Indian restaurants in Hyderabad are an artifact of colonialism. Hyderabad in particular caters a lot to foreign nationals due to the proliferation of the tech sector there. Anyway What curry dishes are they serving there? “Hyderabadi chicken curry”? What is it called natively?

j45 4y ago
Probably just chicken something. Well said.
- unmole 4y ago
  I assure you, if you ask for chicken curry in any restaurant in Hyderabad, they'll know exactly what you mean. They might not necessarily serve it though.
  - dagmx 4y ago
    Of course they know it. They don’t exist in a vacuum. That doesn’t mean the dish is “curry”. Just like how many Indians will call it Butter Chicken Curry colloquially but the dish is Murgh Makhani.
    - unmole 4y ago
      > That doesn’t mean the dish is “curry”. Is this supposed to be some metaphysical argument? The dish is literally chicken curry i.e. kodi kura.
      - dagmx 4y ago
        The point is: - curry is used in Britain (and any place they colonized) to refer to any and all spiced gravy, not just sauce. - Kari in Tamil (widely considered to be the root of the word curry) refers to a dark, spiced sauce. It doesn’t mention it’s a gravy and it likely referred to a black peppercorn based sauce. It is simply an element of a dish like a bechamel. It is not a dish by itself. - kodi kura is a specific preparation of chicken. Kura doesn’t mean curry, its closest English translation would be a stew. And even if it would be classified as a curry in England, it doesn’t change that it’s neither what they call curry or that other dishes that they call curry aren’t a form of kari in India. Lastly, you take great pains to say that Hyderabad is culturally and politically independent from the British rule. So by that logic it wouldn’t even be a usable argument to say Curry is derived from those words At the end of the day, the most well known etymology for curry is a mistranslation of the Tamil `Kari` where they mistook a single component of a dish to be the whole dish. It was further perpetuated in the west as a stereotyped dish. Many Indians accept the word curry today because it was introduced into our zeitgeist but the concept of Curry as it is in the Uk has no foundation in actual Indian cuisine.
        unmole 4y ago
        > Kura doesn’t mean curry, its closest English translation would be a stew FFS, no! A dry stir fry is called a podi kura, with podi meaning dry. A stew like curry would be called a pulusu kura. > Lastly, you take great pains to say that Hyderabad is culturally and politically independent from the British rule. So by that logic it wouldn’t even be a usable argument to say Curry is derived from those words. Telugu speakers of Hyderabad State used the same word as their colinguists in the British ruled Madras Presidency. This would suggest the term predates the annexation of the Northern Circars by the British who could have then adopted it. > At the end of the day, the most well known etymology for curry is a mistranslation of the Tamil `Kari` where they mistook a single component of a dish to be the whole dish. At the end of the day, curry is a perfectly valid coinage and is cognate with kura and used to mean the exact same thing. > It was further perpetuated in the west as a stereotyped dish. Many Indians accept the word curry today because it was introduced into our zeitgeist but the concept of Curry as it is in the Uk has no foundation in actual Indian cuisine. Curry is quintessentially Indian. The fact that some Indian languages don't have an equivalent encompassing term doesn't change that.
unmole 4y ago
> Telugu Kari doesn’t mean curry in the sense that British people understand it. As a native Telugu speaker, I use kura in the same sense as the English curry to refer to a diverse class of dishes. > look up the history Here's some history: Hyderabad was never colonized by the British. My grandparents who grew up in Hyderabad State and didn't speak any English used kura in the same sense that I do. > Hyderabad in particular caters a lot to foreign nationals due to the proliferation of the tech sector there. You don't have the faintest idea of what you're talking about. The Curry Points I mentioned are little hole-in-the-wall takeaway places that you see in every other street corner. They are almost exclusively patronised by Telugus. Forget foreigners, even migrants from other states usually find the spice levels too high. > Anyway What curry dishes are they serving there? “Hyderabadi chicken curry”? What is it called natively? I haven't heard of a distinctive Hyderabadi variant but they obviously serve chiken curry which in Telugu would be called kodi kura. Google Maps is your friend: https://www.google.com/maps/search/curry+point/@17.5057149,78.3865468,14z https://www.google.com/maps/search/curry+point/@17.5057149,7...
- dagmx 4y ago
  India was colonized. Whether they specifically colonized an area or not is irrelevant. Indian regions don’t exist in isolation. Kari in telugu is not the same as curry. The colloquial use of it as such is an artifact of British rule. You dont exist in a bubble. Kura is not the same as a generic curry. Not all things that are considered a “curry” are Kura or Kari
  - unmole 4y ago
    > Indian regions don’t exist in isolation. Hyderabad existed as a politically and culturally separate entity. The ramifications of these historical distinctions play out in politics to this day. See Telangana statehood for an example. > Kari in telugu You keep bringing it up but to the best of my knowledge there's no kari in Telugu. > The colloquial use of it as such is an artifact of British rule. Do you have a source that isn't your ass? > Kura is not the same as a generic curry. Oh knowledgeable one, please tell me more.