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Why censor Sontag’s statement? However people feel about her statement, she chose those words.

jimkleiber 4y ago
I don't think they were censoring but more so generalizing the statement to more types of races.
pessimizer 4y ago
Your instincts are wrong. HN has been a safe place as far as I've ever known (imo you're modded for being unreasonable or irrelevant here - even dumb is fine), but it's not safe to assume that you can say things bluntly in any forum just because they're true and said in good faith. It may read as bravery, but it's really just hubris. They'll delete you and tell other people to delete you. They'll report you to police. They'll ask your friends and family members why they're bad people for not shunning you. Magical incantations and bad words are also the easiest things to avoid while still being very aggressive. Adhering to arbitrary pieties in form is actually a nice shield against people who are allergic to substance.
- mandmandam 4y ago
  Was recently banned for saying true and important things here. It's not hubris - it's called having a spine.
  - dang 4y ago
    Why not let people decide for themselves why you were banned? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34852986 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34852986
    - mandmandam 4y ago
      Getting a little passive aggressive there dang. I hope people do read that, and the context. There's nothing banworthy there, at least from me. Not unless you're a big fan of tptacek running roughshod over people, as you yourself admit he often does. You also claimed to have "asked me to stop" - which you didn't. And when I asked you where you said that you didn't reply. And when I emailed to ask nicely to be unbanned, as you requested, you ignored it. So... Yeah.
      - dang 4y ago
        > There's nothing banworthy there, at least from me You were breaking the site guidelines repeatedly in that thread. > And when I asked you where you said that you didn't reply Sorry — usually I do reply — I must not have seen https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34856255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34856255. FWIW in retrospect, here are some places where we asked you to stop (I don't remember why I used the word 'just' though, since these are older): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30293928 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30293928 (Feb 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28699914 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28699914 (Sept 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28650525 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28650525 (Sept 2021) > when I emailed to ask nicely to be unbanned, as you requested, you ignored it I can't find any email that references your username. When did you send it?
        mandmandam 4y ago
        What you're calling "breaking site guidelines", I call "politely standing up to an active bully". A bully who you acknowledged was well over the line. You said nothing to tptacek about it, while banning me for putting a toe over the "guideline". You said "we just asked you to stop" in reference to a request 12 months previous, yes. There was no other request. I think 3 exceedingly minor incidents over 30 months is pretty bad to ban someone over - and I think it's weird that you'd go so far as to dig that shit up as if it's relevant here, or improves your case. Sure look, we all make mistakes. Since you apparently though that you'd asked me to stop recently, and in fact you hadn't, feel free to unban me. I sent the email that day. No worries about not finding it - you're only human. Again, feel free to stop rate limiting my comments, and limiting them to those with showdead on. I'll continue to have a spine whatever you decide, and I'll call out bullies, politely, with this account or through a VPN - your call.
        dang 4y ago
        I didn't acknowledge that, and it was you who were well over the line. Your comments in the thread were obviously flamewar. That's not allowed here, regardless of how right you are or feel. People often feel like they're saying "true and important things politely" when in fact they're egregiously flaming. Then when we ban them for flaming, they feel like they got banned for saying true and important things. I don't know the way out of that perception; all I can tell you is that you broke the rules badly and that I'm pretty sure the bulk of this community would agree. I'd be happy to unban you, but I need a reason to believe that you won't do that again. Btw there's no email in the HN inbox that references your username and while I found one or two emails from that day that reference being banned, I replied to all of them and none were from you. It's possible your email went to spam, though we look through the spam bin pretty carefully and rescue most emails like that.
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I don't think they were censoring but more so generalizing the statement to more types of races.

Your instincts are wrong. HN has been a safe place as far as I've ever known (imo you're modded for being unreasonable or irrelevant here - even dumb is fine), but it's not safe to assume that you can say things bluntly in any forum just because they're true and said in good faith. It may read as bravery, but it's really just hubris. They'll delete you and tell other people to delete you. They'll report you to police. They'll ask your friends and family members why they're bad people for not shunning you. Magical incantations and bad words are also the easiest things to avoid while still being very aggressive. Adhering to arbitrary pieties in form is actually a nice shield against people who are allergic to substance.

mandmandam 4y ago
Was recently banned for saying true and important things here. It's not hubris - it's called having a spine.
- dang 4y ago
  Why not let people decide for themselves why you were banned? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34852986 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34852986
  - mandmandam 4y ago
    Getting a little passive aggressive there dang. I hope people do read that, and the context. There's nothing banworthy there, at least from me. Not unless you're a big fan of tptacek running roughshod over people, as you yourself admit he often does. You also claimed to have "asked me to stop" - which you didn't. And when I asked you where you said that you didn't reply. And when I emailed to ask nicely to be unbanned, as you requested, you ignored it. So... Yeah.
    - dang 4y ago
      > There's nothing banworthy there, at least from me You were breaking the site guidelines repeatedly in that thread. > And when I asked you where you said that you didn't reply Sorry — usually I do reply — I must not have seen https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34856255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34856255. FWIW in retrospect, here are some places where we asked you to stop (I don't remember why I used the word 'just' though, since these are older): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30293928 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30293928 (Feb 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28699914 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28699914 (Sept 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28650525 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28650525 (Sept 2021) > when I emailed to ask nicely to be unbanned, as you requested, you ignored it I can't find any email that references your username. When did you send it?
      - mandmandam 4y ago
        What you're calling "breaking site guidelines", I call "politely standing up to an active bully". A bully who you acknowledged was well over the line. You said nothing to tptacek about it, while banning me for putting a toe over the "guideline". You said "we just asked you to stop" in reference to a request 12 months previous, yes. There was no other request. I think 3 exceedingly minor incidents over 30 months is pretty bad to ban someone over - and I think it's weird that you'd go so far as to dig that shit up as if it's relevant here, or improves your case. Sure look, we all make mistakes. Since you apparently though that you'd asked me to stop recently, and in fact you hadn't, feel free to unban me. I sent the email that day. No worries about not finding it - you're only human. Again, feel free to stop rate limiting my comments, and limiting them to those with showdead on. I'll continue to have a spine whatever you decide, and I'll call out bullies, politely, with this account or through a VPN - your call.
        dang 4y ago
        I didn't acknowledge that, and it was you who were well over the line. Your comments in the thread were obviously flamewar. That's not allowed here, regardless of how right you are or feel. People often feel like they're saying "true and important things politely" when in fact they're egregiously flaming. Then when we ban them for flaming, they feel like they got banned for saying true and important things. I don't know the way out of that perception; all I can tell you is that you broke the rules badly and that I'm pretty sure the bulk of this community would agree. I'd be happy to unban you, but I need a reason to believe that you won't do that again. Btw there's no email in the HN inbox that references your username and while I found one or two emails from that day that reference being banned, I replied to all of them and none were from you. It's possible your email went to spam, though we look through the spam bin pretty carefully and rescue most emails like that.
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