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Does anyone know the context for that?

by aflag 4y ago

captn3m0 4y ago
https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/110060225535294882 https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/110060225535294882
- smcl 4y ago
  It’s a shame because most of the top 10 top level comments ended up being just pure praise and admiration, and all the negative ones were downvoted or debunked. I think the main disagreement was the people speculating on the identity of Lina.
  - 411111111111111 4y ago
    This is hilarious, you're actually speculating about "the real reason" after getting linked to the literal statement of why it was done with example comments given, most of which are doing exactly what you're doing here: irrelevant speculation and going of on tangents If there is a basic archetype of a HN comment, yours is a perfect example of it
    - smcl 4y ago
      I follow Hector on Mastodon and he's posted a few times in the past about how he dislikes the HN comments and often finds them toxic. He didn't implement any anti-HN measures in his sites before though, so there was clearly something different this time. What I think elevated this from "ignore" to "block" were a few creepy subthreads relating to him and the identity of Lina that I am not going to repeat. Additionally I thought this was a shame because those nasty ones ended up being flagged and downvoted by the community, and drowned out by a boatload of comments saying how much people admired the work Hector, Lina, Alyssa and the Asahi crew are doing. So he's under the impression that most HNers are dumb idiots who dislike him and and are comofortable doxxing people, which I don't think is the case. However if you're looking for the basic archetype of a bad HN comment I think yours is actually much more appropriate. Very poor form :-/
      - 411111111111111 4y ago
        Naw, pointing out the obvious while making fun of someone is the archetype of reddit I think. Toxicity on HN is more indirect here.
      - realjhol 4y ago
        Hector had no problem spreading salacious rumours about Richard Stallman a couple of years back. He loudly supported a hateful and slanderous campaign that resulted in RMS having to step down from the FSF. Now he comes along and for whatever reason he's decided to adopt this weird hentai alter ego, which is very obviously him... but for some reason we're not allowed to mention it - because? ...actually I have no idea why. But he certainly doesn't mind dealing in rumours when it's against people he decides deserve it.
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  I actually kind of know marcan, but sorry, this is just too much of a low hanging fruit to let it just pass by. *Ahem* Complaining about people not reading the article and then denying those people the ability to read the article is 300% concentrated irony. Holy shit. (I'm assuming the motivations behind the redirect are what marcan is complaining about. marcan's complaint by itself is valid, of course. People only reading headlines is nothing new.)
  - alpaca128 4y ago
    I don't get the reason behind his complaints about not 100% of all the comments being focused on the one topic. It's a discussion forum for humans, not a bureaucratic committee. Comment folding exists for a reason. And while it sure can be frustrating when completely avoidable questions are asked, I don't get why that's so bad that one has to block the website. Especially considering 95% of comments to marcan's post linked above could be summarized as "haha orange site bad" - a lack of substance doesn't seem to be the issue. I'm sure this frustration has a cause, but I struggle to see what that is.
    - dpkirchner 4y ago
      It's also the case that most HN readers won't post comments about articles they read. This childish redirect nonsense affects them as well.
    - yoggp 4y ago
      I have talked to creators before about their projects ending up here. When you are doing a project or have an interest in something you haven't thought of everything. But you have probably thought of most things that spontaneously comes to mind. It isn't even just shitting on things that is the problem. Effectively shitting on something takes some interest, making claims or potentially having a point. It is the random bullshit that gets to you. The ignorance and the arrogance and even more so in combination because there is little you can do about it. It is many times as burdensome to read inaccurate things when you know better and even more so trying to correct them. So it quickly becomes Wargames. If you don't engage the bullshit spreads, if you do engage you waste all your time and it probably don't get much better anyway. So the only way to win is not to play at all. I went back and read some of the discussion in the other thread. I didn't read everything because of time. What strikes me isn't the bad faith or poor form trying to expose someone or arguing a tangent on an interesting subject. It is how embarrassing it is. And how embarrassing it that they don't know how embarrassing it is. If I managed to even slightly get my point across you will understand why I can't explain why it is embarrassing. What I can say is that it isn't about just about being wrong or being rude. It about not knowing what they are talking about while being convinced that they have a point. And no I don't think it is ironic. If you consider Hacker News a net negative blocking your blog from being published here is consistent with that view. More would if "all publicity is good publicity" wasn't such a strong idea in money making ventures.
- troad 4y ago
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- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  I'm gonna take this moment to thank Asahi Lina and the other developers for their work and inspiration. Thank you. I wish I had even a small percentage of the reverse engineering skill you guys have.
- asksomeoneelse 4y ago
  I feel like there is some additional context missing. It's not like HN readers were spamming him, or flooding his platform. It's just, from what I gathered from this mastodon thread, that the people didn't read the article, resulting in comments on HN not being interesting enough for him. But blocking people just because they are reading HN and learning about Asahi through it seems kinda extreme and uncalled for.
- lttlrck 4y ago
  The irony of those comments... it's almost like I landed on Twitter.

Does anyone know the context for that?

by aflag 4y ago

Does anyone know the context for that?

captn3m0 4y ago

https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/110060225535294882 https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/110060225535294882

smcl 4y ago
It’s a shame because most of the top 10 top level comments ended up being just pure praise and admiration, and all the negative ones were downvoted or debunked. I think the main disagreement was the people speculating on the identity of Lina.
- 411111111111111 4y ago
  This is hilarious, you're actually speculating about "the real reason" after getting linked to the literal statement of why it was done with example comments given, most of which are doing exactly what you're doing here: irrelevant speculation and going of on tangents If there is a basic archetype of a HN comment, yours is a perfect example of it
  - smcl 4y ago
    I follow Hector on Mastodon and he's posted a few times in the past about how he dislikes the HN comments and often finds them toxic. He didn't implement any anti-HN measures in his sites before though, so there was clearly something different this time. What I think elevated this from "ignore" to "block" were a few creepy subthreads relating to him and the identity of Lina that I am not going to repeat. Additionally I thought this was a shame because those nasty ones ended up being flagged and downvoted by the community, and drowned out by a boatload of comments saying how much people admired the work Hector, Lina, Alyssa and the Asahi crew are doing. So he's under the impression that most HNers are dumb idiots who dislike him and and are comofortable doxxing people, which I don't think is the case. However if you're looking for the basic archetype of a bad HN comment I think yours is actually much more appropriate. Very poor form :-/
    - 411111111111111 4y ago
      Naw, pointing out the obvious while making fun of someone is the archetype of reddit I think. Toxicity on HN is more indirect here.
    - realjhol 4y ago
      Hector had no problem spreading salacious rumours about Richard Stallman a couple of years back. He loudly supported a hateful and slanderous campaign that resulted in RMS having to step down from the FSF. Now he comes along and for whatever reason he's decided to adopt this weird hentai alter ego, which is very obviously him... but for some reason we're not allowed to mention it - because? ...actually I have no idea why. But he certainly doesn't mind dealing in rumours when it's against people he decides deserve it.
Dalewyn 4y ago
I actually kind of know marcan, but sorry, this is just too much of a low hanging fruit to let it just pass by. *Ahem* Complaining about people not reading the article and then denying those people the ability to read the article is 300% concentrated irony. Holy shit. (I'm assuming the motivations behind the redirect are what marcan is complaining about. marcan's complaint by itself is valid, of course. People only reading headlines is nothing new.)
- alpaca128 4y ago
  I don't get the reason behind his complaints about not 100% of all the comments being focused on the one topic. It's a discussion forum for humans, not a bureaucratic committee. Comment folding exists for a reason. And while it sure can be frustrating when completely avoidable questions are asked, I don't get why that's so bad that one has to block the website. Especially considering 95% of comments to marcan's post linked above could be summarized as "haha orange site bad" - a lack of substance doesn't seem to be the issue. I'm sure this frustration has a cause, but I struggle to see what that is.
  - dpkirchner 4y ago
    It's also the case that most HN readers won't post comments about articles they read. This childish redirect nonsense affects them as well.
  - yoggp 4y ago
    I have talked to creators before about their projects ending up here. When you are doing a project or have an interest in something you haven't thought of everything. But you have probably thought of most things that spontaneously comes to mind. It isn't even just shitting on things that is the problem. Effectively shitting on something takes some interest, making claims or potentially having a point. It is the random bullshit that gets to you. The ignorance and the arrogance and even more so in combination because there is little you can do about it. It is many times as burdensome to read inaccurate things when you know better and even more so trying to correct them. So it quickly becomes Wargames. If you don't engage the bullshit spreads, if you do engage you waste all your time and it probably don't get much better anyway. So the only way to win is not to play at all. I went back and read some of the discussion in the other thread. I didn't read everything because of time. What strikes me isn't the bad faith or poor form trying to expose someone or arguing a tangent on an interesting subject. It is how embarrassing it is. And how embarrassing it that they don't know how embarrassing it is. If I managed to even slightly get my point across you will understand why I can't explain why it is embarrassing. What I can say is that it isn't about just about being wrong or being rude. It about not knowing what they are talking about while being convinced that they have a point. And no I don't think it is ironic. If you consider Hacker News a net negative blocking your blog from being published here is consistent with that view. More would if "all publicity is good publicity" wasn't such a strong idea in money making ventures.
troad 4y ago
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matheusmoreira 4y ago
I'm gonna take this moment to thank Asahi Lina and the other developers for their work and inspiration. Thank you. I wish I had even a small percentage of the reverse engineering skill you guys have.
asksomeoneelse 4y ago
I feel like there is some additional context missing. It's not like HN readers were spamming him, or flooding his platform. It's just, from what I gathered from this mastodon thread, that the people didn't read the article, resulting in comments on HN not being interesting enough for him. But blocking people just because they are reading HN and learning about Asahi through it seems kinda extreme and uncalled for.
lttlrck 4y ago
The irony of those comments... it's almost like I landed on Twitter.