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Humans shouldn't be living in shoeboxes stacked 40 floors high. It's disgusting.

barbazoo 4y ago
> Humans shouldn't be living in shoeboxes stacked 40 floors high. It's disgusting. Strawman. No one said anything about 40 floor high shoeboxes.
com2kid 4y ago
The medium density townhome I lived in had more green space accessible to me than the single family home I'm in now. Turns out 2 large yards are plenty for even 100 families, and lawn care is super affordable when split 100 ways!
- lotsoweiners 4y ago
  That sounds terrible. I have a yard with a nice block wall and privacy hedges growing over the top. I have a pool, spa, 100s of plants in my garden, every type of bbq contraption you can think of, a large tv and other games for lounging and best of all, I decide who besides my family can be there. I don’t have random teenagers, homeless people, or quincenaras with mariachi bands in my backyard.
  - com2kid 4y ago
    I'm talking about medium density urban housing, preferably on mass transit lines and in walkable neighborhoods. My car gets under 100 miles of use a week. Excluding commuting to work, during the summer months I literally do not have to drive if I don't want to. Within walking distance of me there is a public library, 2 bakeries, 3 grocery stores, a public pool, a wading pools, 2 very large parks, 1 of which has equipped with grills, and 1 smaller neighborhood park. If I want to ride a bike, and extend my range out to all of 3 miles, then that list gets absurdly long. I don't even live in a dense part of Seattle, I just happen to live in the city proper.
throw0101c 4y ago
> Humans shouldn't be living in shoeboxes stacked 40 floors high. You have a limited view of 'urban living'. Want a front yard, back yard, and garage (attached to a laneway)? Plenty of that was built pre-WW2, and there's no reason why it couldn't be again: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetcar_suburb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetcar_suburb * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWsGBRdK2N0&t=1m8s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWsGBRdK2N0&t=1m8s The Oh the Urbanity channel has a video on the (misguided) idea that "urban living" = Manhattan / Hong Kong apartment blocks: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCmz-fgp24E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCmz-fgp24E Examples (Streetview) of urban tree-lined streets which can support transit and where cycling is practical (and where a car is an option versus a necessity): * https://www.google.com/maps/place/125+Hampton+Ave,+Toronto,+ON https://www.google.com/maps/place/125+Hampton+Ave,+Toronto,+... * https://www.google.com/maps/place/50+Geoffrey+St,+Toronto,+ON https://www.google.com/maps/place/50+Geoffrey+St,+Toronto,+O... * https://www.google.com/maps/place/70+Jackman+Ave+Toronto,+ON https://www.google.com/maps/place/70+Jackman+Ave+Toronto,+ON See also: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO6txCZpbsQ&t=9m28s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO6txCZpbsQ&t=9m28s Fifteen minutes pedalling in one direction is downtown, fifteen minutes in the other is farm land.
ETH_start 4y ago
If you build 40 stories high, you can give each person much more space per square meter of land used, than if you if you build low-rises. The shoeboxes are simply a consequence of the land underneath those towers being so in demand that people would rather trade living and green space to be situated there.

> Humans shouldn't be living in shoeboxes stacked 40 floors high. It's disgusting. Strawman. No one said anything about 40 floor high shoeboxes.

com2kid 4y ago

The medium density townhome I lived in had more green space accessible to me than the single family home I'm in now. Turns out 2 large yards are plenty for even 100 families, and lawn care is super affordable when split 100 ways!

lotsoweiners 4y ago
That sounds terrible. I have a yard with a nice block wall and privacy hedges growing over the top. I have a pool, spa, 100s of plants in my garden, every type of bbq contraption you can think of, a large tv and other games for lounging and best of all, I decide who besides my family can be there. I don’t have random teenagers, homeless people, or quincenaras with mariachi bands in my backyard.
- com2kid 4y ago
  I'm talking about medium density urban housing, preferably on mass transit lines and in walkable neighborhoods. My car gets under 100 miles of use a week. Excluding commuting to work, during the summer months I literally do not have to drive if I don't want to. Within walking distance of me there is a public library, 2 bakeries, 3 grocery stores, a public pool, a wading pools, 2 very large parks, 1 of which has equipped with grills, and 1 smaller neighborhood park. If I want to ride a bike, and extend my range out to all of 3 miles, then that list gets absurdly long. I don't even live in a dense part of Seattle, I just happen to live in the city proper.

throw0101c 4y ago

> Humans shouldn't be living in shoeboxes stacked 40 floors high. You have a limited view of 'urban living'. Want a front yard, back yard, and garage (attached to a laneway)? Plenty of that was built pre-WW2, and there's no reason why it couldn't be again: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetcar_suburb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetcar_suburb * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWsGBRdK2N0&t=1m8s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWsGBRdK2N0&t=1m8s The Oh the Urbanity channel has a video on the (misguided) idea that "urban living" = Manhattan / Hong Kong apartment blocks: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCmz-fgp24E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCmz-fgp24E Examples (Streetview) of urban tree-lined streets which can support transit and where cycling is practical (and where a car is an option versus a necessity): * https://www.google.com/maps/place/125+Hampton+Ave,+Toronto,+ON https://www.google.com/maps/place/125+Hampton+Ave,+Toronto,+... * https://www.google.com/maps/place/50+Geoffrey+St,+Toronto,+ON https://www.google.com/maps/place/50+Geoffrey+St,+Toronto,+O... * https://www.google.com/maps/place/70+Jackman+Ave+Toronto,+ON https://www.google.com/maps/place/70+Jackman+Ave+Toronto,+ON See also: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO6txCZpbsQ&t=9m28s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO6txCZpbsQ&t=9m28s Fifteen minutes pedalling in one direction is downtown, fifteen minutes in the other is farm land.

ETH_start 4y ago

If you build 40 stories high, you can give each person much more space per square meter of land used, than if you if you build low-rises. The shoeboxes are simply a consequence of the land underneath those towers being so in demand that people would rather trade living and green space to be situated there.