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This shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone. It was reported years ago that Twitter was unable to cut down on hate speech because the automated systems they

by slg 4y ago

This shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone. It was reported years ago that Twitter was unable to cut down on hate speech because the automated systems they developed triggered too many [debatably false] positives on Republican politicians and that was bad for the company's reputation. If Twitter wanted to prevent future code changes from impacting that approach, there needed to be something like this in the code or tests.

lenkite 4y ago
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- slg 4y ago
  I don't know what specific documents you think did that, but "comprehensively" is absolutely an awful way to describe the Twitter Files. They were anything but "comprehensive". In actuality, they were an excellent example of how easy it is to lie using partial truths. For example, highlighting all the times Twitter took moderation recommendations from a Democratic campaign looks a lot worse if you hide any time they took moderation from Republican campaigns. A simple look at the specific journalists that were given access to Twitter documents and the strings attached to that access reveals that the Twitter Files were not about transparency. They were an ideological play and nothing more. If Musk wanted true transparency, he would have given wider access to more documents or just released them all like Jack Dorsey requested.
  - lenkite 4y ago
    Could you please point out the list of moderation recommendations from Republican campaigns that were actually accepted and carried out? The only ones that were revealed so far were of the following types: 1. requests to un-ban or un-suspend right-wing personas 2. removal of explicit death threats. 3. Anything against the vaccine - even actual, scientific data. From the twitter files, the Twitter team that was wholly left-leaning spent significant time and debate looking for the mildest of excuses to ban right-wing politicians, building black lists for them and even gloating happily as they managed to kick them off. Not much doubt about that - actually no one has even denied that. There were several hearings also in the house judiciary where they even confirmed the same. (Interestingly, there was pressure applied on Matt Taibbi to either "shut up" or relinquish all his sources to law enforcement. Also, as a form of indirect pressure to rattle him, US tax agents visited his house the VERY DAY he would testify before US Congress stating that his tax returns had been rejected due to identity theft concerns - despite him having the electronic receipt which showed it being accepted.)
    - slg 4y ago
      >Could you please point out the list of moderation recommendations from Republican campaigns that were actually accepted and carried out? That is exactly my point. I can't because none were released. That is not a reason to assume they don't exist. You are assuming full transparency in a situation with only partial transparency.
      - nicky0 4y ago
        At the same time, there is also no reason to beleive they do exist.
        TylerE 4y ago
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        blitzar 4y ago
        https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-trump-twitter-files-collusion-biden-censorship-1234675969/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-tru... WHEN THE WHITE House called up Twitter in the early morning hours of September 9, 2019, officials had what they believed was a serious issue to report: Famous model Chrissy Teigen had just called President Donald Trump “a pussy ass bitch” on Twitter — and the White House wanted the tweet to come down. That exchange — revealed during Wednesday’s House Oversight Committee hearing on Twitter by Rep. Gerry Connolly — and others like it are nowhere to be found in Elon Musk’s “Twitter Files” releases
        dudeinjapan 4y ago
        Huh? What does this prove? Trump's WH may have requested Teigen's tweet to be removed, but it's still there: https://twitter.com/chrissyteigen/status/1170914148919590914 https://twitter.com/chrissyteigen/status/1170914148919590914
        blitzar 4y ago
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- prezjordan 4y ago
  This is a lie. We got a glimpse into how accounts like LibsOfTikTok regularly set off alarms only to get tags such as "Do not ban. Ask first." The only thing selective and explicit was the information Musk allowed bought-and-paid-for "journalists" to access.

by slg 4y ago

lenkite 4y ago

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slg 4y ago
I don't know what specific documents you think did that, but "comprehensively" is absolutely an awful way to describe the Twitter Files. They were anything but "comprehensive". In actuality, they were an excellent example of how easy it is to lie using partial truths. For example, highlighting all the times Twitter took moderation recommendations from a Democratic campaign looks a lot worse if you hide any time they took moderation from Republican campaigns. A simple look at the specific journalists that were given access to Twitter documents and the strings attached to that access reveals that the Twitter Files were not about transparency. They were an ideological play and nothing more. If Musk wanted true transparency, he would have given wider access to more documents or just released them all like Jack Dorsey requested.
- lenkite 4y ago
  Could you please point out the list of moderation recommendations from Republican campaigns that were actually accepted and carried out? The only ones that were revealed so far were of the following types: 1. requests to un-ban or un-suspend right-wing personas 2. removal of explicit death threats. 3. Anything against the vaccine - even actual, scientific data. From the twitter files, the Twitter team that was wholly left-leaning spent significant time and debate looking for the mildest of excuses to ban right-wing politicians, building black lists for them and even gloating happily as they managed to kick them off. Not much doubt about that - actually no one has even denied that. There were several hearings also in the house judiciary where they even confirmed the same. (Interestingly, there was pressure applied on Matt Taibbi to either "shut up" or relinquish all his sources to law enforcement. Also, as a form of indirect pressure to rattle him, US tax agents visited his house the VERY DAY he would testify before US Congress stating that his tax returns had been rejected due to identity theft concerns - despite him having the electronic receipt which showed it being accepted.)
  - slg 4y ago
    >Could you please point out the list of moderation recommendations from Republican campaigns that were actually accepted and carried out? That is exactly my point. I can't because none were released. That is not a reason to assume they don't exist. You are assuming full transparency in a situation with only partial transparency.
    - nicky0 4y ago
      At the same time, there is also no reason to beleive they do exist.
      - TylerE 4y ago
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      - blitzar 4y ago
        https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-trump-twitter-files-collusion-biden-censorship-1234675969/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-tru... WHEN THE WHITE House called up Twitter in the early morning hours of September 9, 2019, officials had what they believed was a serious issue to report: Famous model Chrissy Teigen had just called President Donald Trump “a pussy ass bitch” on Twitter — and the White House wanted the tweet to come down. That exchange — revealed during Wednesday’s House Oversight Committee hearing on Twitter by Rep. Gerry Connolly — and others like it are nowhere to be found in Elon Musk’s “Twitter Files” releases
        dudeinjapan 4y ago
        Huh? What does this prove? Trump's WH may have requested Teigen's tweet to be removed, but it's still there: https://twitter.com/chrissyteigen/status/1170914148919590914 https://twitter.com/chrissyteigen/status/1170914148919590914
        blitzar 4y ago
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prezjordan 4y ago
This is a lie. We got a glimpse into how accounts like LibsOfTikTok regularly set off alarms only to get tags such as "Do not ban. Ask first." The only thing selective and explicit was the information Musk allowed bought-and-paid-for "journalists" to access.