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> Italy has great engineers Does it? Ferrari's become a real joke in recent years. I do fully buy the bureaucrats being threatened by automation theory though.

> Italy has great engineers Does it? Ferrari's become a real joke in recent years. I do fully buy the bureaucrats being threatened by automation theory though. > this is obviously a dumb move It's also a dumb move by OpenAI to pretend they can get away with not processing data in the EU like any other service has to. Just spin up a few instances, what's the big deal? It's just complete arrogance on their part. GDPR is not an optional suggestion.

dukeyukey 4y ago
Can't talk about Ferrari, but Italy still has some fantastic manufacturing going on. I'm a big coffee guy, and Italian espresso machines and coffee grinders are top notch, only really rivaled by a handful of Scandinavian makers
asimpletune 4y ago
Italy is a very rich country in almost every sense of the word. They have very good engineers.
ransom1538 4y ago
"GDPR is not an optional suggestion." No it's some dumb fad. If you are not in Europe just disregard it. You don't have to respect Republic of Peru laws either.
- Renaud 4y ago
  Actually, you have to if you take money from Peruvians and are basically doing business there. Whether you can be reached and punished by a Peruvian court is another issue. Similarly, if your business serves any EU country, you have to respect its laws, and that includes GDPR, whether you like it or not. OpenAI's choice is then to close access to the EU, see its access forcibly shutdown, or comply with local laws. Since the EU is probably a very significant market for them (probably on par with the US), playing dumb is fairly dangerous. On the other hand, the sudden disappearance of ChatGPT in Europe may be what allows a locally grown one to succeed commercially (I doubt OpenAI will remain the only AI service provider forever).
- BowBun 4y ago
  It's law... you cannot disregard it if you do business there. Feel free to give it a shot and test it out, though. The agency in charge has been having a field day so far, though primarily with the big tech companies - https://www.tessian.com/blog/biggest-gdpr-fines-2020/ https://www.tessian.com/blog/biggest-gdpr-fines-2020/
- mk89 4y ago
  Absolutely not. GDPR is applicable any time you process data from someone located in EU (it doesn't matter where the server is located).

dukeyukey 4y ago

Can't talk about Ferrari, but Italy still has some fantastic manufacturing going on. I'm a big coffee guy, and Italian espresso machines and coffee grinders are top notch, only really rivaled by a handful of Scandinavian makers

asimpletune 4y ago

Italy is a very rich country in almost every sense of the word. They have very good engineers.

ransom1538 4y ago

"GDPR is not an optional suggestion." No it's some dumb fad. If you are not in Europe just disregard it. You don't have to respect Republic of Peru laws either.

Renaud 4y ago
Actually, you have to if you take money from Peruvians and are basically doing business there. Whether you can be reached and punished by a Peruvian court is another issue. Similarly, if your business serves any EU country, you have to respect its laws, and that includes GDPR, whether you like it or not. OpenAI's choice is then to close access to the EU, see its access forcibly shutdown, or comply with local laws. Since the EU is probably a very significant market for them (probably on par with the US), playing dumb is fairly dangerous. On the other hand, the sudden disappearance of ChatGPT in Europe may be what allows a locally grown one to succeed commercially (I doubt OpenAI will remain the only AI service provider forever).
BowBun 4y ago
It's law... you cannot disregard it if you do business there. Feel free to give it a shot and test it out, though. The agency in charge has been having a field day so far, though primarily with the big tech companies - https://www.tessian.com/blog/biggest-gdpr-fines-2020/ https://www.tessian.com/blog/biggest-gdpr-fines-2020/
mk89 4y ago
Absolutely not. GDPR is applicable any time you process data from someone located in EU (it doesn't matter where the server is located).