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I’ll admit I didn’t look up those numbers but I read about these things way too regularly. But that’s of course not the main thing about guns and kids in the U

I’ll admit I didn’t look up those numbers but I read about these things way too regularly. But that’s of course not the main thing about guns and kids in the US like everyone knows.

bitwize 4y ago
Statistically speaking, suicide is the #1 cause of gun death in the US, gang activity is #2. School shootings are far down the list. They get a lot of attention but don't account for a large proportion of deaths. Of course, that any of these deaths occur is tragic, which is why the most sensible solution is repeal of the Second Amendment and implementation of a nationwide, federal license requirement to purchase or own a firearm. 120-day grace period. License each gun, turn them in, or go to jail. Let the gangs resort to cutting each other like Japanese gangs.
- japhyr 4y ago
  That doesn't require a repeal of the second amendment. That just requires a willingness to interpret the full text of the amendment, instead of focusing only on the last four words. School shootings are far down the list as far as fatalities go. But that's a poor way to measure the impact of school shootings. The trauma inflicted by each of these events goes way beyond the number of children killed. Everyone who has heard actual gunshots in their own school building feels life-changing trauma. When a kid in the US says "I'm scared to go to school," you can't tell them they have nothing to be scared of. You can tell them "It's not likely to happen at your school today." That's small comfort.
  - bitwize 4y ago
    The full text of the amendment is pretty clear that "a well-regulated militia" depends upon "the right of the people to keep and bear arms", it does not limit that right. In order to train farmers and craftsmen into an effective reserve fighting force, they have to have weapons of their own they can practice with. Times have changed, obviously, and civil society no longer depends on citizen firearm ownership. You can put together a Supreme Court to overturn Heller and other decisions on this issue, but constitutional scholars are likely to consider it rickety jurisprudence. Repealing the 2nd would be a full-throated declaration that wielding weaponry is a privilege, not a right. We should probably repeal and replace the First Amendment while we're at it, and tie up some loose ends like Citizens United and the inability of U.S. governments to criminally punish hate speech.
    - r2_pilot 4y ago
      Remember, the Constitution was crafted by men of their time, and they explicitly stated it was not a suicide pact and that future generations were fully allowed to amend it should they find the desire. We can probably find a compromise that greatly reduces gun violence, if only compromise could be made.
    - WalterBright 4y ago
      > We should probably repeal and replace the First Amendment while we're at it, and tie up some loose ends like Citizens United and the inability of U.S. governments to criminally punish hate speech. I am not a gun nut, and have little interest in owning/shooting guns. I've done it, and found it boring. But my defense of the 2nd Amendment is based on the domino theory that if the 2nd can be ignored, there goes the First and every other "inconvenient" right enshrined in the Constitution. The First is the most important of all those Rights. Thanks for illustrating I am right that the First would be put on the chopping block right after the Second.
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      - zirgs 4y ago
        There's still freedom of speech in countries with stricter gun laws. Also in my country prostitution and abortions are legal. So stricter gun laws don't always lead to other restrictions.
        WalterBright 4y ago
        The difference is the 2nd Amendment is not a law, it's in the Constitution. The Constitution ain't worth nothing if it is not respected. I don't care about gun rights. I do care about the Constitution, and I very much care about the First Amendment.
- wolverine876 4y ago
  > gang activity is #2 What is that based on? The only people I hear even talk much about 'gangs' is conservative propgandists trying to demonize black and brown people and cities. I'm not saying no gangs exist, but they aren't really an issue (unless you define 'gang' as any association of >1 person > the most sensible solution is repeal of the Second Amendment and implementation of a nationwide, federal license requirement to purchase or own a firearm. 120-day grace period. License each gun, turn them in, or go to jail. It's a politicized judiciary. For centuries, nobody interpreted the 2nd Amendment the way the conservative judges do now, but when the Federalist Society intentionally politicized the judiciary, this is what happened.
  - gedy 4y ago
    > I'm not saying no gangs exist, but they aren't really an issue Sounds like you've never been poor in urban areas?
    - wolverine876 4y ago
      I've spent a lot of time in those areas. Have you? For one thing, talking about them like they are all the same betrays that you haven't. They are as different as any other neighborhoods.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    > I'm not saying no gangs exist, but they aren't really an issue (unless you define 'gang' as any association of >1 person Not too far off. The federal definition is 3+. Gangs aren’t necessarily big.
  - anon291 4y ago
    This is delusional. I am a brown person, I grew up in these areas. Gangs exist. They are a scourge on the areas they blight. Please do not vote
    - wolverine876 4y ago
      Maybe where you lived, but not in so many other places.
- int_19h 4y ago
  NY tried that forced registration trick. Look up the compliance rates for it sometime.
ipaddr 4y ago
You'll read about those but not suicides and that is a greater problem.

I’ll admit I didn’t look up those numbers but I read about these things way too regularly. But that’s of course not the main thing about guns and kids in the US like everyone knows.

bitwize 4y ago

Statistically speaking, suicide is the #1 cause of gun death in the US, gang activity is #2. School shootings are far down the list. They get a lot of attention but don't account for a large proportion of deaths. Of course, that any of these deaths occur is tragic, which is why the most sensible solution is repeal of the Second Amendment and implementation of a nationwide, federal license requirement to purchase or own a firearm. 120-day grace period. License each gun, turn them in, or go to jail. Let the gangs resort to cutting each other like Japanese gangs.

japhyr 4y ago
That doesn't require a repeal of the second amendment. That just requires a willingness to interpret the full text of the amendment, instead of focusing only on the last four words. School shootings are far down the list as far as fatalities go. But that's a poor way to measure the impact of school shootings. The trauma inflicted by each of these events goes way beyond the number of children killed. Everyone who has heard actual gunshots in their own school building feels life-changing trauma. When a kid in the US says "I'm scared to go to school," you can't tell them they have nothing to be scared of. You can tell them "It's not likely to happen at your school today." That's small comfort.
- bitwize 4y ago
  The full text of the amendment is pretty clear that "a well-regulated militia" depends upon "the right of the people to keep and bear arms", it does not limit that right. In order to train farmers and craftsmen into an effective reserve fighting force, they have to have weapons of their own they can practice with. Times have changed, obviously, and civil society no longer depends on citizen firearm ownership. You can put together a Supreme Court to overturn Heller and other decisions on this issue, but constitutional scholars are likely to consider it rickety jurisprudence. Repealing the 2nd would be a full-throated declaration that wielding weaponry is a privilege, not a right. We should probably repeal and replace the First Amendment while we're at it, and tie up some loose ends like Citizens United and the inability of U.S. governments to criminally punish hate speech.
  - r2_pilot 4y ago
    Remember, the Constitution was crafted by men of their time, and they explicitly stated it was not a suicide pact and that future generations were fully allowed to amend it should they find the desire. We can probably find a compromise that greatly reduces gun violence, if only compromise could be made.
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    > We should probably repeal and replace the First Amendment while we're at it, and tie up some loose ends like Citizens United and the inability of U.S. governments to criminally punish hate speech. I am not a gun nut, and have little interest in owning/shooting guns. I've done it, and found it boring. But my defense of the 2nd Amendment is based on the domino theory that if the 2nd can be ignored, there goes the First and every other "inconvenient" right enshrined in the Constitution. The First is the most important of all those Rights. Thanks for illustrating I am right that the First would be put on the chopping block right after the Second.
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    - zirgs 4y ago
      There's still freedom of speech in countries with stricter gun laws. Also in my country prostitution and abortions are legal. So stricter gun laws don't always lead to other restrictions.
      - WalterBright 4y ago
        The difference is the 2nd Amendment is not a law, it's in the Constitution. The Constitution ain't worth nothing if it is not respected. I don't care about gun rights. I do care about the Constitution, and I very much care about the First Amendment.
wolverine876 4y ago
> gang activity is #2 What is that based on? The only people I hear even talk much about 'gangs' is conservative propgandists trying to demonize black and brown people and cities. I'm not saying no gangs exist, but they aren't really an issue (unless you define 'gang' as any association of >1 person > the most sensible solution is repeal of the Second Amendment and implementation of a nationwide, federal license requirement to purchase or own a firearm. 120-day grace period. License each gun, turn them in, or go to jail. It's a politicized judiciary. For centuries, nobody interpreted the 2nd Amendment the way the conservative judges do now, but when the Federalist Society intentionally politicized the judiciary, this is what happened.
- gedy 4y ago
  > I'm not saying no gangs exist, but they aren't really an issue Sounds like you've never been poor in urban areas?
  - wolverine876 4y ago
    I've spent a lot of time in those areas. Have you? For one thing, talking about them like they are all the same betrays that you haven't. They are as different as any other neighborhoods.
- kube-system 4y ago
  > I'm not saying no gangs exist, but they aren't really an issue (unless you define 'gang' as any association of >1 person Not too far off. The federal definition is 3+. Gangs aren’t necessarily big.
- anon291 4y ago
  This is delusional. I am a brown person, I grew up in these areas. Gangs exist. They are a scourge on the areas they blight. Please do not vote
  - wolverine876 4y ago
    Maybe where you lived, but not in so many other places.
int_19h 4y ago
NY tried that forced registration trick. Look up the compliance rates for it sometime.

ipaddr 4y ago

You'll read about those but not suicides and that is a greater problem.