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Honestly after living under the pervasive narrative that you're a failure of a software developer unless you work for either a FAANG or a unicorn SV startup, I'

by feoren 4y ago

Honestly after living under the pervasive narrative that you're a failure of a software developer unless you work for either a FAANG or a unicorn SV startup, I'm not sad to see arrogant FAANG developers get cut down to size a little and learn they're not actually God's gifts to the discipline. For over a decade, it's been automatically assumed that everyone else was a failure who just "couldn't cut it" at a FAANG. > Wages aren't tied to worth Of course they are. Nothing in the history of humanity has ever been more clearly tied to "this number means how much worth you have as a human being" as income in the United States does today; a close 2nd being the number of serfs you had in medieval France. There's literally an income below which people will cheer for you dying in the streets if you get sick. Yes, they cheer. They cheered when Ron Paul suggested letting poor people die in the streets when they get sick. Being poor is becoming illegal. They'll throw you in jail for it. They add spikes to the sides of highways to make life even more miserable for the homeless. Of course your income is tied to your worth as a human being. What world are you living in?

maximinus_thrax 4y ago
> Of course they are. Nothing in the history of humanity has ever been more clearly tied to "this number means how much worth you have as a human being" as income in the United States does today We're talking about different things here. Worth as in 'how much value you add to the company/industry ie are you worth paying this much' (which is what we're talking about here) != worth as in 'how American society sees you based on your income and what privileges you have because you're making money'. I agree with your assessment of worth wrt to American society. That is my perception as well. > I'm not sad to see arrogant FAANG developers get cut down to size a little and learn they're not actually God's gifts to the discipline. For over a decade, it's been automatically assumed that everyone else was a failure who just "couldn't cut it" at a FAANG. Everyone is responsible for their own assumptions; I don't share the same thoughts as you. Not everyone who got laid off is an arrogant FAANG developer and not everyone working at FAANG thinks they're God's gift to the craft (honestly, anecdotally, I have never seen more instances of imposter syndrome than in FAANG). Do you by any chance frequent the Blind forums? In the end, I would remind everyone that wage workers hating each other because of how much they make is a God send for the people who actually own the economy. It's non-productive and mistargeted. You need to hate your boss/company if you're not happy with how much you make.
crazygringo 4y ago
> I'm not sad to see arrogant FAANG developers get cut down to size a little and learn they're not actually God's gifts to the discipline. Where do you come to the conclusion that FAANG developers are like this? > For over a decade, it's been automatically assumed that everyone else was a failure who just "couldn't cut it" at a FAANG. Assumed by who? The amount of judgment coming from your comment is rather shocking. I'll just say that it definitely doesn't reflect the perspectives of tech workers I know. I'm sorry that you seem to find yourself in a circle that you have come to those conclusions.
- KyeRussell 4y ago
  Take a look around this website, for starters.
  - fsociety 4y ago
    A large portion of this community has had resentment towards FAANG and FAANG engineers for a long time. Whiteboard interviews, high pay, not invented here syndrome, memes about coasting in big co, stereotyping people based off which FAANG they came off of, trivializing the work, saying it’s detrimental to a new engineer’s career to join FAANG etc. All of this is fine. But let’s be real, part of the community resents another part and has for a while. It is part of some people’s identity to hate on FAANG engineers. And they let you know.

by feoren 4y ago

maximinus_thrax 4y ago

> Of course they are. Nothing in the history of humanity has ever been more clearly tied to "this number means how much worth you have as a human being" as income in the United States does today We're talking about different things here. Worth as in 'how much value you add to the company/industry ie are you worth paying this much' (which is what we're talking about here) != worth as in 'how American society sees you based on your income and what privileges you have because you're making money'. I agree with your assessment of worth wrt to American society. That is my perception as well. > I'm not sad to see arrogant FAANG developers get cut down to size a little and learn they're not actually God's gifts to the discipline. For over a decade, it's been automatically assumed that everyone else was a failure who just "couldn't cut it" at a FAANG. Everyone is responsible for their own assumptions; I don't share the same thoughts as you. Not everyone who got laid off is an arrogant FAANG developer and not everyone working at FAANG thinks they're God's gift to the craft (honestly, anecdotally, I have never seen more instances of imposter syndrome than in FAANG). Do you by any chance frequent the Blind forums? In the end, I would remind everyone that wage workers hating each other because of how much they make is a God send for the people who actually own the economy. It's non-productive and mistargeted. You need to hate your boss/company if you're not happy with how much you make.

crazygringo 4y ago

> I'm not sad to see arrogant FAANG developers get cut down to size a little and learn they're not actually God's gifts to the discipline. Where do you come to the conclusion that FAANG developers are like this? > For over a decade, it's been automatically assumed that everyone else was a failure who just "couldn't cut it" at a FAANG. Assumed by who? The amount of judgment coming from your comment is rather shocking. I'll just say that it definitely doesn't reflect the perspectives of tech workers I know. I'm sorry that you seem to find yourself in a circle that you have come to those conclusions.

KyeRussell 4y ago
Take a look around this website, for starters.
- fsociety 4y ago
  A large portion of this community has had resentment towards FAANG and FAANG engineers for a long time. Whiteboard interviews, high pay, not invented here syndrome, memes about coasting in big co, stereotyping people based off which FAANG they came off of, trivializing the work, saying it’s detrimental to a new engineer’s career to join FAANG etc. All of this is fine. But let’s be real, part of the community resents another part and has for a while. It is part of some people’s identity to hate on FAANG engineers. And they let you know.