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I wouldn't go so far as to call it green fascism, but where I live right now we have to fire up our generators regularly and sometimes the power will go out for

by throwway120385 4y ago

I wouldn't go so far as to call it green fascism, but where I live right now we have to fire up our generators regularly and sometimes the power will go out for several days during winter storms. So forcing us to switch to electricity is risking the lives of some of my neighbors because it's not a reliable source of heat for us. If we're going to be required to do this, they should require the public utility to maintain the lines to the degree that they can survive the frequent windstorms and snowstorms that happen here.

lnsru 4y ago
It would be ok having sane timeline for heat pumps conversion for coming decade. But now it’s fascism just telling, that no gas furnaces anymore starting next year. There is no plan, there is no strategy. Just pure ideological nonsense. Close nuclear power plants, ban gas furnaces. Bun coal and run heat pumps on coal power. Great plan! Edit: and yeah, I just lost €100k tonight. That’s rough sum for house insulation, ventilation system and heat pump installation.
mikeyouse 4y ago
There are plenty of supplemental heat heat-pumps that have a gas burner for very cold days or extended power outages.
- throwway120385 4y ago
  But they will no longer be up to code as of this year.
mrguyorama 4y ago
What systems don't need electricity? Growing up, my oil fired furnace still needed electricity to spark it and pump it. Blowers don't run on oil. If you live in a place that gets cold, you should probably have enough insulation that occasional power loss isn't life threatening. In fact, we once lost power all of christmas morning, before we had even turned up the heat for the day. We snuggled in a bed for a while. Just keep blankets and jackets around. The human body produces about 100w of heat at rest. Usually food and water become bigger problems first.
- throwway120385 4y ago
  It's not insulation that's the problem, it's keeping the pipes from freezing and the heat on. Not everyone has the luxury to live in a LEED certified building built in this century, especially in rural areas. Most of the houses in my area were built in the 60's, 70's and 80's. And it gets COLD at night when there's a deep freeze. Like low teens farenheit. Insulation doesn't help you there.

lnsru 4y ago

It would be ok having sane timeline for heat pumps conversion for coming decade. But now it’s fascism just telling, that no gas furnaces anymore starting next year. There is no plan, there is no strategy. Just pure ideological nonsense. Close nuclear power plants, ban gas furnaces. Bun coal and run heat pumps on coal power. Great plan! Edit: and yeah, I just lost €100k tonight. That’s rough sum for house insulation, ventilation system and heat pump installation.

mikeyouse 4y ago

There are plenty of supplemental heat heat-pumps that have a gas burner for very cold days or extended power outages.

throwway120385 4y ago
But they will no longer be up to code as of this year.

mrguyorama 4y ago

What systems don't need electricity? Growing up, my oil fired furnace still needed electricity to spark it and pump it. Blowers don't run on oil. If you live in a place that gets cold, you should probably have enough insulation that occasional power loss isn't life threatening. In fact, we once lost power all of christmas morning, before we had even turned up the heat for the day. We snuggled in a bed for a while. Just keep blankets and jackets around. The human body produces about 100w of heat at rest. Usually food and water become bigger problems first.

throwway120385 4y ago
It's not insulation that's the problem, it's keeping the pipes from freezing and the heat on. Not everyone has the luxury to live in a LEED certified building built in this century, especially in rural areas. Most of the houses in my area were built in the 60's, 70's and 80's. And it gets COLD at night when there's a deep freeze. Like low teens farenheit. Insulation doesn't help you there.