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> Again, this doesn't somehow negate the fact that they did rise substantially. You said the data don't back up my claim. My claim was that they did not "skyro

> Again, this doesn't somehow negate the fact that they did rise substantially. You said the data don't back up my claim. My claim was that they did not "skyrocket". Now the goalposts have been moved to "rise substantially," which can mean anything. Even the increase in 2006 from 539 to 596 murders (more than 10%) could be considered "substantial," it's a meaningless term. If you don't think the media and the public outcry about this has been extremely overinflated (including comparing crime rates to the 90s), then I don't think we have much to discuss here. The graphs in the sources I link make it pretty clear that the bump in crime is insignificant compared to the historical crime rates in NYC. And based on your comment history, you're clearly pretty partisan to one side of the issue, so I don't think there's much to be gained for either of us by continuing this. I find it particularly ironic that you complain about mainstream media coverage of Trump, but find it impossible to believe the media could be exaggerating crime rates.

overrun11 4y ago
Don't think either of us are interested in a debate on the definition of the word "skyrocketing." I'd be interested in a survey of New Yorkers on how much they think the murder rate rose from 2019-2020. I suspect they'd be pretty close to the right answer (48%), you think it'd be much higher (if I read you correctly) but without that data we will just have to agree to disagree. > I find it particularly ironic that you complain about mainstream media coverage of Trump, but find it impossible to believe the media could be exaggerating crime rates. This is a good example of the type of statement that passes as meaningful in partisan debates but is actually incoherent. I'm allowed to believe the media fairly reported one thing but not some other unrelated thing. There's no logical connection between the two that demands a consistent treatment. I haven't been caught in some epic contradiction. ...but if you have caught me in a contradiction, and you believe the exact opposite, then aren't we both in the same boat? If x and y cannot both be true then neither can ~x and ~y.

overrun11 4y ago

Don't think either of us are interested in a debate on the definition of the word "skyrocketing." I'd be interested in a survey of New Yorkers on how much they think the murder rate rose from 2019-2020. I suspect they'd be pretty close to the right answer (48%), you think it'd be much higher (if I read you correctly) but without that data we will just have to agree to disagree. > I find it particularly ironic that you complain about mainstream media coverage of Trump, but find it impossible to believe the media could be exaggerating crime rates. This is a good example of the type of statement that passes as meaningful in partisan debates but is actually incoherent. I'm allowed to believe the media fairly reported one thing but not some other unrelated thing. There's no logical connection between the two that demands a consistent treatment. I haven't been caught in some epic contradiction. ...but if you have caught me in a contradiction, and you believe the exact opposite, then aren't we both in the same boat? If x and y cannot both be true then neither can ~x and ~y.