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How many other laid off tech people are there in Bali?

by sjf 4y ago

wonder_er 4y ago
good question. No idea. I didn't ask, and wasn't there as a laid-off tech worker. :) I was visiting a friend who moved there a decade ago, and scootering around the island. So, I had good food, met lots of interesting people, read books in beautiful places, and saw beautiful sites. I called it 'a research trip for bringing better scooter norms to the USA'. Bali's scooter game is fire!
- sjf 4y ago
  You're not first one I have heard from.
  - wonder_er 4y ago
    Tech workers in Bali? Yeah, no doubt. There's lots of tech people there, but I was kinda trying to avoid them/us.
    - wyclif 4y ago
      I'm in the Philippines. Backend dev still working from home, but not making the kind of money I want to make and probably will not be able to make given the current state of tech. Maybe I need to think about a career change. Not getting any responses to applications at all.
      - wonder_er 4y ago
        I hear it's a hard world for engineering applications rn. That's part of why I didn't wanna go back into tech. We'll see. The world is in a strange way right now Good luck!
bradlys 4y ago
It's just a popular place for remote people. The usual white digital nomad bro who goes there to sleep around. (Plenty of women doing this too btw) It's a nice spot but it's just for fucking around in your 20's. (Or 30's if you live an alternative lifestyle or are a terrible romantic partner)
- wonder_er 4y ago
  'just' feels slightly de-dignifying, but overall this is not totally wrong. I'd say there's a lot more to do there than sleep around, but there seemed to be plenty of that. (I'm white-passing, have done the nomad thing in the past, didn't go to sleep around, don't consider myself to be a terrible romantic partner, but am recently divorced, so you shouldn't take only my word on that). I'm nearly autistic when it comes to land development regimes, and Indonesia is widely regarded as having some of the best land use regimes in the globe, and I wanted to go experience it. Turns out... It does! It hurts my soul to return to the USA, where urban planners are the land-use equivalent of flat earthers.
  - zhivota 4y ago
    Interesting, I've gotten very interested in land use recently and had not heard this about Indonesia. Are you talking specifically about Bali here? Because I've been to Jakarta and I can't say I endorse the land use there based on the few business trips I've taken. Where can I read more about what you're talking about?
    - wonder_er 4y ago
      Huzzah! Another aficionado of land use issues! Alain Bertaud wrote a book called "order without design". He's an urban economist, and... his book is all a city planner needs to do their job correctly. Towards the end of the book he talks about the indonesian Kampung, briefly touched upon in this interview here: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-11/urban-planner-alain-bertaud-s-case-for-bottom-up-design https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-11/urban-pla... I had long wanted to visit this sort of place, so in Bali, I walked into (and around) many, many, many kampungs, and sure enough, they were beautiful, affordable, and served the people that lived in and around them so well. I believe all 'big' cities have adopted the 'american'/euclidean zoning version of land use policy, which was implemented by southerners in the 1920s to implement a regime of social control, allowing one ethnic group to use the political process to dominate another ethnic group. Jakarta follows the american land use policy, with the expected deleterious effects. more on the land use policy as social control/ethnic cleansing: https://josh.works/full-copy-of-1922-atlanta-zone-plan https://josh.works/full-copy-of-1922-atlanta-zone-plan I'd strongly recommend getting a copy of Alain's book. It's the most concise take on land use policy I've encountered, and I've sorta 'read the canon' when it comes to these kinds of things. Another recommendation: "The Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal as Ethnic Cleansing" https://www.fidelitypress.org/slaughter-of-cities https://www.fidelitypress.org/slaughter-of-cities I write about all of this stuff on my website (in my profile) and tiktok. I talk too much about zoning-as-ethnic-cleansing, according to some people, but i don't mind. https://www.tiktok.com/@josh_exists https://www.tiktok.com/@josh_exists

How many other laid off tech people are there in Bali?

by sjf 4y ago

How many other laid off tech people are there in Bali?

good question. No idea. I didn't ask, and wasn't there as a laid-off tech worker. :) I was visiting a friend who moved there a decade ago, and scootering around the island. So, I had good food, met lots of interesting people, read books in beautiful places, and saw beautiful sites. I called it 'a research trip for bringing better scooter norms to the USA'. Bali's scooter game is fire!

sjf 4y ago
You're not first one I have heard from.
- wonder_er 4y ago
  Tech workers in Bali? Yeah, no doubt. There's lots of tech people there, but I was kinda trying to avoid them/us.
  - wyclif 4y ago
    I'm in the Philippines. Backend dev still working from home, but not making the kind of money I want to make and probably will not be able to make given the current state of tech. Maybe I need to think about a career change. Not getting any responses to applications at all.
    - wonder_er 4y ago
      I hear it's a hard world for engineering applications rn. That's part of why I didn't wanna go back into tech. We'll see. The world is in a strange way right now Good luck!

bradlys 4y ago

It's just a popular place for remote people. The usual white digital nomad bro who goes there to sleep around. (Plenty of women doing this too btw) It's a nice spot but it's just for fucking around in your 20's. (Or 30's if you live an alternative lifestyle or are a terrible romantic partner)

wonder_er 4y ago
'just' feels slightly de-dignifying, but overall this is not totally wrong. I'd say there's a lot more to do there than sleep around, but there seemed to be plenty of that. (I'm white-passing, have done the nomad thing in the past, didn't go to sleep around, don't consider myself to be a terrible romantic partner, but am recently divorced, so you shouldn't take only my word on that). I'm nearly autistic when it comes to land development regimes, and Indonesia is widely regarded as having some of the best land use regimes in the globe, and I wanted to go experience it. Turns out... It does! It hurts my soul to return to the USA, where urban planners are the land-use equivalent of flat earthers.
- zhivota 4y ago
  Interesting, I've gotten very interested in land use recently and had not heard this about Indonesia. Are you talking specifically about Bali here? Because I've been to Jakarta and I can't say I endorse the land use there based on the few business trips I've taken. Where can I read more about what you're talking about?
  - wonder_er 4y ago
    Huzzah! Another aficionado of land use issues! Alain Bertaud wrote a book called "order without design". He's an urban economist, and... his book is all a city planner needs to do their job correctly. Towards the end of the book he talks about the indonesian Kampung, briefly touched upon in this interview here: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-11/urban-planner-alain-bertaud-s-case-for-bottom-up-design https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-11/urban-pla... I had long wanted to visit this sort of place, so in Bali, I walked into (and around) many, many, many kampungs, and sure enough, they were beautiful, affordable, and served the people that lived in and around them so well. I believe all 'big' cities have adopted the 'american'/euclidean zoning version of land use policy, which was implemented by southerners in the 1920s to implement a regime of social control, allowing one ethnic group to use the political process to dominate another ethnic group. Jakarta follows the american land use policy, with the expected deleterious effects. more on the land use policy as social control/ethnic cleansing: https://josh.works/full-copy-of-1922-atlanta-zone-plan https://josh.works/full-copy-of-1922-atlanta-zone-plan I'd strongly recommend getting a copy of Alain's book. It's the most concise take on land use policy I've encountered, and I've sorta 'read the canon' when it comes to these kinds of things. Another recommendation: "The Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal as Ethnic Cleansing" https://www.fidelitypress.org/slaughter-of-cities https://www.fidelitypress.org/slaughter-of-cities I write about all of this stuff on my website (in my profile) and tiktok. I talk too much about zoning-as-ethnic-cleansing, according to some people, but i don't mind. https://www.tiktok.com/@josh_exists https://www.tiktok.com/@josh_exists