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I really hope this isn't a start of a trend, but I have to wonder if the recent CarPlay taking over the entire car thing that Apple announced is kinda related?

I really hope this isn't a start of a trend, but I have to wonder if the recent CarPlay taking over the entire car thing that Apple announced is kinda related? Every once in a while I end up renting a car that doesn't have CarPlay support and it sucks. CarPlay is great and it does what I need (music and directions, with the occasional message) while also keeping everything in sync with my phone.

banana_giraffe 4y ago
Related, I suppose, but indirectly. From elsewhere: > GM said it expects its in-car subscription services to generate nearly $2 billion in revenue this year and will reach as high as $25 billion by the end of the decade I assume they view Carplay/Android Auto as a barrier to their subscription plans. Why would I pay for Map Updates, or Sirius subscription or whatever if I can just plug my phone in?
- nerdjon 4y ago
  That number seems insanely high, are people really going to pay for the privilege of getting maps when they can get them for free on their phone? I would think a lot of people would just get a phone holder for their car, or just choose another car. I mean GPS's charging for map updates hasn't been mainstream for 10ish years?
  - banana_giraffe 4y ago
    I agree with you, I honestly don't know what they expect people to pay for: > Alan Wexler [...] indicated that consumers were willing to pay up to $135 per month on services for their vehicles I'm sure they're working at this backwards, in that there's this bucket of money sitting there, and how to charge $135/mo to get at it.
agloe_dreams 4y ago
I think this is directly related, furthermore, I think no company should take Apple's deal. "You build the car and screens...we use them to make money/get data instead of you". There's a reason CarPlay licensing is free. I bet some partners backed out of the next-gen carplay too. There's a good argument that Apple is the bad guy here too: Their restriction of iMessage APIs and App-data over Bluetooth makes Carplay (and in a like way, the Apple Watch) the only real choice for iPhone owners. One could say they are taking the whole industry over the coals with this lockout which allows them to have people pay them app store subscriptions. There is a running line that "Apple believes they own every dollar that is spent on your iPhone", with carplay, it's every dollar in your car too.

banana_giraffe 4y ago

Related, I suppose, but indirectly. From elsewhere: > GM said it expects its in-car subscription services to generate nearly $2 billion in revenue this year and will reach as high as $25 billion by the end of the decade I assume they view Carplay/Android Auto as a barrier to their subscription plans. Why would I pay for Map Updates, or Sirius subscription or whatever if I can just plug my phone in?

nerdjon 4y ago
That number seems insanely high, are people really going to pay for the privilege of getting maps when they can get them for free on their phone? I would think a lot of people would just get a phone holder for their car, or just choose another car. I mean GPS's charging for map updates hasn't been mainstream for 10ish years?
- banana_giraffe 4y ago
  I agree with you, I honestly don't know what they expect people to pay for: > Alan Wexler [...] indicated that consumers were willing to pay up to $135 per month on services for their vehicles I'm sure they're working at this backwards, in that there's this bucket of money sitting there, and how to charge $135/mo to get at it.

agloe_dreams 4y ago

I think this is directly related, furthermore, I think no company should take Apple's deal. "You build the car and screens...we use them to make money/get data instead of you". There's a reason CarPlay licensing is free. I bet some partners backed out of the next-gen carplay too. There's a good argument that Apple is the bad guy here too: Their restriction of iMessage APIs and App-data over Bluetooth makes Carplay (and in a like way, the Apple Watch) the only real choice for iPhone owners. One could say they are taking the whole industry over the coals with this lockout which allows them to have people pay them app store subscriptions. There is a running line that "Apple believes they own every dollar that is spent on your iPhone", with carplay, it's every dollar in your car too.